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He only sits in choir & gives the sermon - regular priest does everything else.

Get up and run for the door as if the building was on fire (genuflecting 1st of course).
2 (8%)
Freeze in a mindless stupor and remain immobilized by fear.
0 (0%)
Jump up and denounce him as a heretic and apostate and storm out.
6 (24%)
Remain calm, pray, and carry on as if nothing happened.
3 (12%)
After getting over the shock, offer a quick prayer for his conversion and quietly make your exit.
8 (32%)
Other (please explain)
6 (24%)

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Offline Johannes

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Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
« on: November 16, 2024, 08:28:41 AM »
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    • You are already there saying your prayers - big commotion in the nave, lots of movement - next thing you notice is a guy in wheelchair getting pushed up the center aisle by a small entourage who looks just like pope Francis. Fantastical I know, but instructive for ourselves and others. What do you do?    :confused:
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    Offline Emile

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2024, 08:35:09 AM »
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    • :confused:
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    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2024, 09:34:59 AM »
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    • Is Mass holy if a pedophile protector is at Mass? 

    No. 



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    Offline Mysterium Fidei

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2024, 09:59:27 AM »
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    • If it's an una-cuм Mass, I wouldn't be there in the first place.
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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2024, 09:59:33 AM »
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    • Confront him fiercely, then lead the congregation in prayer for his speedy death.


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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #5 on: November 16, 2024, 10:29:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Johannes on November 16, 2024, 10:15:30 AM
    Come on now, you can't get out of it that easy. The scenario doesn't say that it is una cuм or non-una-cuм - I added that qualifier for myself. You may be at SSPV, Sanborn, CMRI, Independant, Resistance, etc. Francis just shows up out of the blue, and your priest seems to be to be allowing it, you don't know why he is there, or what he is going to say. What do you do?
    :popcorn:
    I think it depends on why he is there.  Hopefully, it's because he's come to confess his sins to our priest and converted to the Catholic Faith.
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #6 on: November 16, 2024, 10:30:00 AM »
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    • Pope Francis would never show up at a Mass that any of us attend, so it's irrelevant.

    You might as well ask what we would do if little green men from mars showed up at mass. What would the point of such a question be? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #7 on: November 16, 2024, 10:31:23 AM »
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    • There is always the exorcism prayer of Pope Leo XIII, the long version that laymen are admonished not to say, but rather to leave it to a priest.  The Apostolate for Christian Action (Stephen Oraze of Fresno, CA, publisher of Divine Love) offered these back in the 1980s, but I've long since lost my copy and haven't been able to find another one.

    I once offered this prayer at home (I am not a priest), when the diocesan bishop came to visit, at the moment that he was scheduled to appear, and just as he began to speak, fire alarms went off in the church.   One of the worst bishops that the US Church has ever had, pure evil.
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    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2024, 10:35:06 AM »
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    • Whoa, I found it!  Here it is:

    https://pblosser.blogspot.com/2009/02/giving-devil-his-due-part-ii.html

    The admonition to leave it to a priest only applied to solemn exorcisms, which of course I did not perform, so it's all good.
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #9 on: November 16, 2024, 10:54:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Johannes on November 16, 2024, 10:47:37 AM
    To see how you view him as a human being, the possibility of his repentance, what you think your obligations are, what level you hold yourself in communion with him, stuff like that.

    One could question how much of anything on this forum is relevant depending how you want to frame relevancy.

    Funny that Francis thinks "little green men" might actually show up, is it not?
    Pope Francis Says He Would Definitely Baptize Aliens If They Asked Him To - The Atlantic

    Okay....so what do you think that our obligations would be? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #10 on: November 16, 2024, 11:15:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Johannes on November 16, 2024, 10:36:48 AM
    Just about to drop you this:

    St. Michael the Archangel prayer, short and long versions

    The one I posted is different.

    I have a pet theory that all of these different versions of the St Michael prayer (including variations of wording in the short, most familiar one in the vernacular) may be the evil one's way of introducing confusion, so that there is no uniformity.  The Latin version of the short prayer is the one I usually say, and it never varies.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #11 on: November 16, 2024, 11:38:36 AM »
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    • I'd fill a super-soaker with holy water and hammer away.  :laugh1:

    Seriously, though, assuming he was doing nothing else beforehand, if he then got up to deliver the sermons, I would stand up and try to find a way to succinctly summarize the heresy (since you know you wouldn't last long and would have to get your point across quickly).
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #12 on: November 16, 2024, 11:40:59 AM »
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    • So, with regard to the longer St. Michael prayer ... let me ask others first before answering myself ... what is striking about this pasage here?
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    These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.

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    Offline B from A

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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #13 on: November 16, 2024, 12:08:52 PM »
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    • I'd have to think about my answer, but I got a chuckle out of some of the options.  I got a good laugh out of Meg's comment, "You might as well ask what we would do if little green men from mars showed up at mass."  I also liked Lad's idea of the super-soaker; the thought of sprinkling holy water on him had already occurred to me, but I didn't think of a good way to get close enough.  :laugh1:  The comment "and your priest seems to be to be allowing it" was part of my difficulty in picturing the scenario & what I'd do, because it's hard to imagine with some Trad priests.  If the priest seemed to be allowing it, maybe I'd stay at least a while out of extreme curiosity as to why.  And in the hope that 2Vermont's conjecture might be the case.  
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    Re: Francis Shows Up for Mass Tomorrow What Do You Do?
    « Reply #14 on: November 16, 2024, 12:33:30 PM »
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    • I would leave at the start of his sermon and come back once it was over.
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