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Re: Francis saw his demons
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2025, 12:45:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2025, 12:37:30 PM
    With all of the debate surrounding the watering down of EENS, we now see an eroding of God's mercy, where Trads are hoping/judging a bad catholic to hell. 
    He wasn't Catholic. His actions and inaction (not excommunicating and not denying baby-murdering politicians communion) were anti-Catholic. Some of his rhetoric, at best, was a nominal vague "Christian" truism, that's when he wasn't tacitly defending the Sin of Sodom, communism and advocating for earth-worship.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #61 on: April 23, 2025, 12:46:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 12:45:00 PM
    He wasn't Catholic. His actions and inaction (not excommunicating and not denying baby-murdering politicians communion) were anti-Catholic. Some of his rhetoric, at best, was a nominal vague "Christian" truism, that's when he wasn't tacitly defending the Sin of Sodom, communism and advocating for earth-worship.
    You can't wish ANYONE to hell, whether they are a bad catholic, no catholic, a protestant, a satanist or a pagan.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #62 on: April 23, 2025, 12:48:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2025, 12:42:38 PM
    We're supposed to hate their evils but we cannot hate them personally (i.e. wish evils upon them, or wish hell upon them).
    I don't think anyone here has wished "evil" on him. Actually, no one here has. We only wish God's mercy and judgement to be upheld, and from what we can objectively see very clearly, is that this guy was an apostate/heretic to the absolute max who had no intention of converting. At all, in any way shape or form. Now, we can't KNOW that, but that attitude is dangerous to have for someone leading billions of souls , astray. Use your reason.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #63 on: April 23, 2025, 12:50:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2025, 12:46:18 PM
    You can't wish ANYONE to hell, whether they are a bad catholic, no catholic, a protestant, a satanist or a pagan.
    Strawman, boy. I'm not wishing anyone to hell. It's an observation of the truth. Observation not judgement. 
    You can't wish an anti-Catholic and anti-pope to Heaven.

    But you're wrong about "you can't wish anyone to hell", for the Bible proves you are wrong: 

    Let death come upon them, and let them go down alive into hell. For there is wickedness in their dwellings: in the midst of them. ~ Psalm 55:15
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #64 on: April 23, 2025, 12:58:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on April 23, 2025, 12:48:16 PM
    I don't think anyone here has wished "evil" on him. Actually, no one here has. We only wish God's mercy and judgement to be upheld, and from what we can objectively see very clearly, is that this guy was an apostate/heretic to the absolute max who had no intention of converting. At all, in any way shape or form. Now, we can't KNOW that, but that attitude is dangerous to have for someone leading billions of souls , astray. Use your reason.
    You can't say that, above, in bold.  It's uncatholic.  You have no idea.

    You have an obligation to pray for evil people, that they convert.  We are not allowed to judge someone's internal thoughts.  
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #65 on: April 23, 2025, 01:02:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on April 23, 2025, 12:42:24 PM
    What exactly would WE be forgiving Bergolio for? huh?

    Try to imagine what Pius X (if he were alive, right now... hypothetically) would say about this apostate/heretic.

    Try that one, for example..
    St Pius X said that modernists should "be beaten with fists".  Yes, we can/should fight modernists.  We should call out there heresies and fight their errors.  We can even physically go to war with them (should the situation of armed combat arise).  But in all of this, catholic charity does not diminish.  In all of this, our fighting/correcting/warring is done with their SALVATION as the key purpose.

    One of the spiritual works of mercy is to "admonish the sinner".  It's not admonisment/correction for correction's sake.  It's a correction to HELP THEM LEAVE SIN.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #66 on: April 23, 2025, 01:08:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 12:50:41 PM
    Strawman, boy. I'm not wishing anyone to hell. It's an observation of the truth. Observation not judgement. 
    You can't wish an anti-Catholic and anti-pope to Heaven.
    You're supposed to PRAY for it.

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    But you're wrong about "you can't wish anyone to hell", for the Bible proves you are wrong:
    Let death come upon them, and let them go down alive into hell. For there is wickedness in their dwellings: in the midst of them. ~ Psalm 55:15

    Your protestant understanding of Scripture is horrible.  This is a PETITION TO GOD, that He send David's enemies to hell.  And David's enemies are God's enemies.

    Yes, we can pray that God's enemies go to hell.
    But we don't know who God's enemies are...only God knows their hearts.
    We're supposed to pray that God's enemies DON'T DIE IN THAT STATE, and convert.
    Also, David was at open war with these people.  On the battlefield.  We are not.

    The old testament sentiments on "Israel vs God's enemies" was updated with Jesus' coming and the new testament.  We are not (currently) on a battlefield against our enemies.  Ours is a spiritual battle.  
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #67 on: April 23, 2025, 01:09:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 12:20:35 PM
    You sanctimonious fairy. You know very little about God and His mercy.
    This is basic theology. You said "If Jorge Bergoglio is in Heaven"..okay, meaning he repented of his sins and died in a state of grace.."Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain"..here I was thinking Our Lord's sacrifice was for the atonement of all sin, sufficient for the salvation of all mankind, meriting the potential of sanctifying grace for all

    Jansenism was condemned 400 years ago..get up to speed. I already said it is probable he was damned, so you can stuff your blathering about me being nithe. 
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #68 on: April 23, 2025, 01:15:51 PM »
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    who had no intention of converting
    If we are allowed to make the above decision (which we're not), then the following errors arise:

    a.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we limit who we must pray for.
    b.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we make ourselves the judge of sanctity.
    c.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we limit God's mercy.
    d.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we put limits on God's grace and omnipotence.
    e.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we elevate God's justice above His mercy, when both are equally infinite.
    f.  Since we decide who didn't convert, then we judge the infinite (i.e. God's plans) using our finite brains.

    All of these are horribly uncatholic errors.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #69 on: April 23, 2025, 01:21:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on April 23, 2025, 01:09:53 PM
    This is basic theology. You said "If Jorge Bergoglio is in Heaven"..okay, meaning he repented of his sins and died in a state of grace.."Jesus Christ's Sacrifice is in vain"..here I was thinking Our Lord's sacrifice was for the atonement of all sin, sufficient for the salvation of all mankind, meriting the potential of sanctifying grace for all

    Jansenism was condemned 400 years ago..get up to speed. I already said it is probable he was damned, so you can stuff your blathering about me being nithe.
    No, you idiot. If he was in Heaven without repenting and converting because of "muh 'divine mercy'" and that new religion deception that he promulgated. Learn how to read. I clearly wrote unrepentant in my previous comment. 

    There is absolutely no reason, no evidence and no public revelation by him to believe he repented and converted, but people suffering Stockholm Syndrome still hope for his salvation.
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #70 on: April 23, 2025, 01:26:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 23, 2025, 01:08:41 PM
    You're supposed to PRAY for it.
    Jeremias 11:9-15 tells us not to pray for him.

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    Your protestant understanding of Scripture is horrible. 
    Sure, when you're losing the Catholic debate, call your opponent a "protestant".

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    Yes, we can pray that God's enemies go to hell.
    Jorge Borgoglio was an enemy of God.

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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #71 on: April 23, 2025, 01:27:44 PM »
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    There is absolutely no reason, no evidence and no public revelation by him to believe he repented and converted
    :facepalm:  Are you dense?  Are you unaware of a 'perfect act of contrition', which can be made mentally, WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE KNOWING?

    Do you honestly hold the error that repentance/conversion must take some kind of outward appearance or have exterior evidence?  This seems to be what you're saying.  This is so horribly uncatholic.  You need a catechism refresher.
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    « Reply #72 on: April 23, 2025, 01:31:28 PM »
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #73 on: April 23, 2025, 01:32:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on April 23, 2025, 01:21:39 PM
    No, you idiot. If he was in Heaven without repenting and converting because of "muh 'divine mercy'" and that new religion deception that he promulgated.

    There is absolutely no reason, no evidence and no public revelation by him to believe he repented and converted, but people suffering Stockholm Syndrome still hope for his salvation.
    You failing to properly articulate yourself does not make me an idiot, it just makes you look like you are presuming upon God's mercy. If he did not repent and die in a state of grace he is certainly damned, I agree with you..but no one can say with absolute certainty that that is what happened  
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    Re: Francis saw his demons
    « Reply #74 on: April 23, 2025, 01:32:49 PM »
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    Jorge Borgoglio was an enemy of God.
    He was for most of his life.  But we do not know that he DIED an enemy of God.  And our catholic Faith COMPELS US to pray that he did not die an enemy of God, but God's friend.
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