Author Topic: Francis receives communist crucifix from Evo Morales (Read 7190 times)

GottmitunsAlex · « **on:** July 09, 2015, 01:35:46 PM »

Francis has received a rather unusual gift from Bolivia's first indigenous president Evo Morales during his visit to Latin America: a crucifix carved into a wooden hammer and sickle, the Communist symbol of the union of labour and peasants.

Morales praised Francis as someone who is "helping in the liberation of our people". He gifted the pontiff with a cross with the Communist symbol similar to the one belonging to Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit priest who was detained, tortured and killed by Bolivia's paramilitary squads.

"Remember one of our brothers, a victim of interests that didn't want him to fight for Bolivia's freedom," Francis, a Jesuit himself, said from the popemobile to a crowd. "Father Espinal preached the Gospel, the Gospel that bothered them, and because of this they got rid of him."

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pope-francis-receives-communist-hammer-sickle-cross-bolivia-president-1510071

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2015, 01:57:48 PM »

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:09:57 PM »

In another thread on this topic TKGS said:

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OK. I just looked it up. This is the president of Bolivia giving the hammer and sickle crucifix to Bergoglio. All of the captions tell us that Bergoglio was not "thrilled" with the presentation and one quotes him as saying "That's not right". But in the youtube videos I found, the audio is very poor and I can't even make out the Spanish words spoken let alone understand them.

I will say that Bergoglio looked surprised and rather taken aback when the gift was first presented to him. He did not have a "for me??" kind of look but a "what in the world??" kind of look. However, his facial expressions changed to the one in the photo above. He clearly did not know what was coming. However, he also clearly accepted the gift and stood for photos of the presentation.

I cannot imagine any traditional bishop (with one certain exception who is trying to reconcile with Modernist Vatican) who would stand there and gracefully accept such a gift. I can hear the Conciliar apologists now: "Well, he didn't kiss it, after all!"

So I did a quick search and found this:

Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2015, 02:38:32 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

In another thread on this topic TKGS said:
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OK. I just looked it up. This is the president of Bolivia giving the hammer and sickle crucifix to Bergoglio. All of the captions tell us that Bergoglio was not "thrilled" with the presentation and one quotes him as saying "That's not right". But in the youtube videos I found, the audio is very poor and I can't even make out the Spanish words spoken let alone understand them.

I will say that Bergoglio looked surprised and rather taken aback when the gift was first presented to him. He did not have a "for me??" kind of look but a "what in the world??" kind of look. However, his facial expressions changed to the one in the photo above. He clearly did not know what was coming. However, he also clearly accepted the gift and stood for photos of the presentation.

I cannot imagine any traditional bishop (with one certain exception who is trying to reconcile with Modernist Vatican) who would stand there and gracefully accept such a gift. I can hear the Conciliar apologists now: "Well, he didn't kiss it, after all!"

So I did a quick search and found this:

Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix

NOPE. He did not say " Eso no está bien" (that is not right).
He said "No sabía eso". (I didn't know that). Referring to the story of that crucifix regarding "fr" Luis Espinal.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kq-c0wG3evg[/youtube]

Francis must missed class the day they were talking about "Divinis Redemptoris" by Pius XI in the liberation theology seminary.....
right

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2015, 03:02:47 PM »

Quote from: GottmitunsAlex

NOPE. He did not say " Eso no está bien" (that is not right).
He said "No sabía eso". (I didn't know that). Referring to the story of that crucifix regarding "fr" Luis Espinal.

Thank you for the information. I tried to go to the website referenced by PerEvangelicaDicta but found problems with the connection.

Bergoglio is clearly not displeased with the presentation.

Quote from: GottmitunsAlex

Francis must missed class the day they were talking about "Divinis Redemptoris" by Pius XI in the liberation theology seminary.....
right

Actually, I think he missed class the day they taught "Catholicism".