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« on: July 09, 2015, 01:35:46 PM »
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    Francis has received a rather unusual gift from Bolivia's first indigenous president Evo Morales during his visit to Latin America: a crucifix carved into a wooden hammer and sickle, the Communist symbol of the union of labour and peasants.

    Morales praised Francis as someone who is "helping in the liberation of our people". He gifted the pontiff with a cross with the Communist symbol similar to the one belonging to Father Luis Espinal, a Jesuit priest who was detained, tortured and killed by Bolivia's paramilitary squads.



    "Remember one of our brothers, a victim of interests that didn't want him to fight for Bolivia's freedom," Francis, a Jesuit himself, said from the popemobile to a crowd. "Father Espinal preached the Gospel, the Gospel that bothered them, and because of this they got rid of him."

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pope-francis-receives-communist-hammer-sickle-cross-bolivia-president-1510071
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    « Reply #1 on: July 09, 2015, 01:57:48 PM »
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  • "As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise: The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." -Pope St. Pius X

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    « Reply #2 on: July 09, 2015, 02:09:57 PM »
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  • In another thread on this topic TKGS said:
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    OK. I just looked it up. This is the president of Bolivia giving the hammer and sickle crucifix to Bergoglio. All of the captions tell us that Bergoglio was not "thrilled" with the presentation and one quotes him as saying "That's not right". But in the youtube videos I found, the audio is very poor and I can't even make out the Spanish words spoken let alone understand them.

    I will say that Bergoglio looked surprised and rather taken aback when the gift was first presented to him. He did not have a "for me??" kind of look but a "what in the world??" kind of look. However, his facial expressions changed to the one in the photo above. He clearly did not know what was coming. However, he also clearly accepted the gift and stood for photos of the presentation.

    I cannot imagine any traditional bishop (with one certain exception who is trying to reconcile with Modernist Vatican) who would stand there and gracefully accept such a gift. I can hear the Conciliar apologists now: "Well, he didn't kiss it, after all!"


    So I did a quick search and found this:

    Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix



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    « Reply #3 on: July 09, 2015, 02:38:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
    In another thread on this topic TKGS said:
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    OK. I just looked it up. This is the president of Bolivia giving the hammer and sickle crucifix to Bergoglio. All of the captions tell us that Bergoglio was not "thrilled" with the presentation and one quotes him as saying "That's not right". But in the youtube videos I found, the audio is very poor and I can't even make out the Spanish words spoken let alone understand them.

    I will say that Bergoglio looked surprised and rather taken aback when the gift was first presented to him. He did not have a "for me??" kind of look but a "what in the world??" kind of look. However, his facial expressions changed to the one in the photo above. He clearly did not know what was coming. However, he also clearly accepted the gift and stood for photos of the presentation.

    I cannot imagine any traditional bishop (with one certain exception who is trying to reconcile with Modernist Vatican) who would stand there and gracefully accept such a gift. I can hear the Conciliar apologists now: "Well, he didn't kiss it, after all!"


    So I did a quick search and found this:

    Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix



    NOPE. He did not say " Eso no está bien" (that is not right).
    He said "No sabía eso". (I didn't know that). Referring to the story of that crucifix regarding "fr" Luis Espinal.

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/kq-c0wG3evg[/youtube]


    Francis must missed class the day they were talking about "Divinis Redemptoris" by Pius XI in the liberation theology seminary.....
    right

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    « Reply #4 on: July 09, 2015, 03:02:47 PM »
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    NOPE. He did not say " Eso no está bien" (that is not right).
    He said "No sabía eso". (I didn't know that). Referring to the story of that crucifix regarding "fr" Luis Espinal.


    Thank you for the information.  I tried to go to the website referenced by PerEvangelicaDicta but found problems with the connection.

    Bergoglio is clearly not displeased with the presentation.

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    Francis must missed class the day they were talking about "Divinis Redemptoris" by Pius XI in the liberation theology seminary.....
    right


    Actually, I think he missed class the day they taught "Catholicism".


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    « Reply #5 on: July 09, 2015, 03:28:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
    So I did a quick search and found this:

    Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix


    He's already wearing a necklace with the same hammer and sickle "crucifix":



    Zoom in on the picture and you can clearly see it.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 09, 2015, 03:35:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
    So I did a quick search and found this:

    Pope rebukes Bolivian President Morales for hammer-and-sickle crucifix


    He's already wearing a necklace with the same hammer and sickle "crucifix":



    Zoom in on the picture and you can clearly see it.


    And that picture is from the very link claiming he "rebuked" Morales.


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    « Reply #7 on: July 09, 2015, 04:01:48 PM »
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  • Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.  

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    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 04:09:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Maybe someone gave it to him as a gift?

    Isn't hammer and sickle  a symbol of communism ?

    It's south-american for -peez en lohf-
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    « Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 04:11:12 PM »
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    Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.  



    Well obviously someone did, but the point is that he shouldn't even put himself in such situations in the first place because as you can see then he ends up giving approval to blasphemous things in front of the whole world.

    A "rebuke" would be ridiculous because he did wrong by going to see that person in the first place.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 04:21:24 PM »
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    Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.  



    Well obviously someone did, but the point is that he shouldn't even put himself in such situations in the first place because as you can see then he ends up giving approval to blasphemous things in front of the whole world.

    A "rebuke" would be ridiculous because he did wrong by going to see that person in the first place.

    Well said
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    « Reply #11 on: July 09, 2015, 05:11:40 PM »
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  • The other day he received gift from Budists.  

    Yes, he should be the one giving out gift of green scapular. And booklet about converting to Catholicism.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 09, 2015, 05:27:31 PM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.


    And if so, he should follow the instruction as contained in the St. Pius X catechism regarding prottie "bibles":

    "Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?

    A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest."

    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X

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    « Reply #13 on: July 09, 2015, 05:53:52 PM »
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  • Quote from: Charlemagne
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.


    And if so, he should follow the instruction as contained in the St. Pius X catechism regarding prottie "bibles":

    "Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?

    A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest."



    Wow is that really in there? I've never read that catechism because I don't have it.

    What page/question number is it?

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    « Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 07:23:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Disputaciones
    Quote from: Charlemagne
    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Maybe someone gave it to him as gift.


    And if so, he should follow the instruction as contained in the St. Pius X catechism regarding prottie "bibles":

    "Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?

    A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest."



    Wow is that really in there? I've never read that catechism because I don't have it.

    What page/question number is it?


    It's Question 32. I don't know the page number.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X

     

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