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Offline CatholicChris

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Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
« on: March 25, 2024, 10:26:53 AM »
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    • Servants of the Holy Family announced that Father Anthony Ward was consecrated bishop by an unnamed bishop. Judging by their announcement, a novus ordo bishop.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2024, 10:52:30 AM »
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    • Wasn't he an SSPX priest?
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2024, 10:57:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on March 25, 2024, 10:52:30 AM
    Wasn't he an SSPX priest?


    Yes, I believe he was the first North American district superior but I could be wrong. 
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2024, 11:22:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicChris on March 25, 2024, 10:57:31 AM

    Yes, I believe he was the first North American district superior but I could be wrong.
    The Address To Catholics Series - Servants of the Holy Family (servi.org)

    Part 1. He says he was appointed the 1st US Superior around 1976. It sounds like he had a similar background as +Kelly(+RIP+). He left before the 9 did.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2024, 11:54:23 AM »
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    • This whole business of being consecrated by unknown bishops is disturbing.  Evidently they find sympathetic bishops who, for some reason, can't be named.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #5 on: March 25, 2024, 12:06:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on March 25, 2024, 11:54:23 AM
    This whole business of being consecrated by unknown bishops is disturbing.  Evidently they find sympathetic bishops who, for some reason, can't be named.
    Some reason? The 1983 Code of Canon Law imposes an ipso facto excommunication for episcopal consecration that affects the consecrating and co-consecrating bishops as well as those receiving the episcopal consecration.

    That is serious if one holds that the Conciliarist hierarchy is valid and that no emergency currently exists or is insufficient in severity to warrent an otherwise illicit episcopal consecration.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2024, 12:10:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on March 25, 2024, 12:06:34 PM
    Some reason? The 1983 Code of Canon Law imposes an ipso facto excommunication for episcopal consecration that affects the consecrating and co-consecrating bishops as well as those receiving the episcopal consecration.

    That is serious if one holds that the Conciliarist hierarchy is valid and that no emergency currently exists or is insufficient in severity to warrent an otherwise illicit episcopal consecration.
    So, who is this Fr Ward?  And why did he get consecrated?  
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2024, 12:10:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on March 25, 2024, 12:06:34 PM
    Some reason? The 1983 Code of Canon Law imposes an ipso facto excommunication for episcopal consecration that affects the consecrating and co-consecrating bishops as well as those receiving the episcopal consecration.

    That is serious if one holds that the Conciliarist hierarchy is valid and that no emergency currently exists or is insufficient in severity to warrent an otherwise illicit episcopal consecration.
    Any such consecrations would fall under one or both of the conditions that you describe, as a "judgment call" on the part of all parties involved.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2024, 12:59:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on March 25, 2024, 12:06:34 PM
    Some reason? The 1983 Code of Canon Law imposes an ipso facto excommunication for episcopal consecration that affects the consecrating and co-consecrating bishops as well as those receiving the episcopal consecration.

    That is serious if one holds that the Conciliarist hierarchy is valid and that no emergency currently exists or is insufficient in severity to warrent an otherwise illicit episcopal consecration.

    Does the code only apply if the act becomes "notorious"?  Otherwise, they'd be "excommunicated" regardless.  Perhaps the "consecrating prelate" just doesn't want the public imposition of any penalties.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #9 on: March 25, 2024, 01:20:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicChris on March 25, 2024, 10:26:53 AM
    Father Anthony Ward was consecrated bishop by an unnamed bishop.

    I was, too...or was I???  I'll post some pics and docs when my episcopal duties abate, but they may or may not be legit... :laugh1:

    Yet another example of the absurdities that are the norm throughout Traddieland.

    1983 vs. 1917 vs. whatever code aside, his stupidity expels him from all sane and decent society.  Anyone who sees him and knows of his recklessness should smack him so hard that both his cheek and the hand of the deliverer of justice are shattered into pieces.

    OWN the act in its entirety, find the nearest cliff, or at least spare us your gutless delusions of grandeur.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #10 on: March 25, 2024, 01:28:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 25, 2024, 12:59:19 PM
    Perhaps the "consecrating prelate" just doesn't want the public imposition of any penalties.

    Perhaps he doesn't exist?  Perhaps s/he's an hermaphrodite, or Bergoglio himself?

    In a decades-long era of uncertainty, anonymity in such matters is unacceptable.  Even if I were 100% certain of his priesthood, I would completely avoid him and treat him as yet another, gutless NON-bishop until he proves otherwise.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #11 on: March 25, 2024, 01:46:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicChris on March 25, 2024, 10:57:31 AM

    Yes, I believe he was the first North American district superior but I could be wrong.
    Yes, you're right. He was the first SSPX priest in the US and was well liked by all, although there was only a relatively few in those days, but he was still well liked until he up and left one day.

    What is it that drives these trad priests to get themselves consecrated as bishops? In this case, the need was apparently so bad, that we have Fr. Ward who *apparently* had himself consecrated by a NO bishop - but a NO bishop's not good enough to ordain trad priests? Makes my head spin if I think about it more than a few seconds.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #12 on: March 25, 2024, 02:18:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on March 25, 2024, 01:46:16 PM
    Yes, you're right. He was the first SSPX priest in the US and was well liked by all, although there was only a relatively few in those days, but he was still well liked until he up and left one day.

    What is it that drives these trad priests to get themselves consecrated as bishops? In this case, the need was apparently so bad, that we have Fr. Ward who *apparently* had himself consecrated by a NO bishop - but a NO bishop's not good enough to ordain trad priests? Makes my head spin if I think about it more than a few seconds.


    The only thing I could think is he was consecrated by an Eastern rite bishop which I believe they have admitted to working with before.

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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #13 on: March 25, 2024, 02:26:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: CatholicChris on March 25, 2024, 02:18:50 PM

    The only thing I could think is he was consecrated by an Eastern rite bishop which I believe they have admitted to working with before.
    All I can say is, I hope they had video rolling, and affidavits signed by witnesses, preferably neutral ones (such as an attorney), to attest that the event actually happened, when it happened, and who was involved.  These could be archived until such time as the whole truth can be revealed.
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    Re: Fr. Ward consecrated Bishop
    « Reply #14 on: March 25, 2024, 04:05:22 PM »
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    • Soon we will have one priest for every five bishops.

    They are coming faster than one can keep count.
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