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Offline 2Vermont

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I believe in God, not in a Catholic God
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 04:14:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    So is Francis denying that Jesus Christ is God?

    Is he forgetting that Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, and anyone that is honest who takes the time can trace that One Church back to what we call the Catholic church, yes Universal, meaning for all men.  Not universal meaning any belief under the sun.  

    Or does Francis just believe that Jesus Christ is God, and is the founder of only One Church, but Jesus Christ Himself did not embrace it. What is it?

    Explain yourself Francis.  


    He can't.  According to Laramie, he doesn't know what he meant.  YWIA.

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    « Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 06:01:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: MyrnaM
    So is Francis denying that Jesus Christ is God?

    Is he forgetting that Jesus Christ founded ONE Church, and anyone that is honest who takes the time can trace that One Church back to what we call the Catholic church, yes Universal, meaning for all men.  Not universal meaning any belief under the sun.  

    Or does Francis just believe that Jesus Christ is God, and is the founder of only One Church, but Jesus Christ Himself did not embrace it. What is it?

    Explain yourself Francis.  


    Bergoglio appears to be an Arian.  He says that Jesus is God's incarnation but God the Father is the Creator.

    The distinction here is important when he uses a word like "but".


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    « Reply #17 on: October 22, 2013, 08:23:40 PM »
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  • And you think that mystics have been important for the Church?
    "They have been fundamental. A religion without mystics is a philosophy."

    Do you have a mystical vocation?
    "What do you think?"

    I wouldn't think so.
    "You're probably right. I love the mystics; Francis also was in many aspects of his life, but I do not think I have the vocation and then we must understand the deep meaning of that word. The mystic manages to strip himself of action, of facts, objectives and even the pastoral mission and rises until he reaches communion with the Beatitudes. Brief moments but which fill an entire life."

    Has that ever happened to you?
    "Rarely. For example, when the conclave elected me Pope. Before I accepted I asked if I could spend a few minutes in the room next to the one with the balcony overlooking the square. My head was completely empty and I was seized by a great anxiety. To make it go way and relax I closed my eyes and made every thought disappear, even the thought of refusing to accept the position, as the liturgical procedure allows. I closed my eyes and I no longer had any anxiety or emotion. At a certain point I was filled with a great light. It lasted a moment, but to me it seemed very long. Then the light faded, I got up suddenly and walked into the room where the cardinals were waiting and the table on which was the act of acceptance. I signed it, the Cardinal Camerlengo countersigned it and then on the balcony there was the '"Habemus Papam".




    Our fearless mystic leader.  Also, do I detect a hint that he may be a little "light on his feet?"

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    « Reply #18 on: October 25, 2013, 08:47:22 AM »
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  • From the interview:

    Were you seduced by Communism?
    "Her materialism had no hold over me. But learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized a few things, an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church."


    I didn't see this point discussed.  To me it is quite disturbing that he sees communism in the social doctrine of the Church.  What did others think about this?

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    « Reply #19 on: October 27, 2013, 08:25:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    From the interview:

    Were you seduced by Communism?
    "Her materialism had no hold over me. But learning about it through a courageous and honest person was helpful. I realized a few things, an aspect of the social, which I then found in the social doctrine of the Church."


    I didn't see this point discussed.  To me it is quite disturbing that he sees communism in the social doctrine of the Church.  What did others think about this?


    So many quotes, so little time.