Author Topic: Fr Malchi Martin - vindicating St John Paul 2 (Read 8871 times)

andysloan · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2014, 04:42:19 PM »

BTNYC said:

"I make no judgments about about the intentions and interior dispositions of these men; I make no judgements on their formal guilt or innocence."

Yes you do and unjustly so. Your reasoning is gibbersih and your "opinions" (and in the case of Fr Martin "his guilt") do not in anyway void the credibility of the testimonies of him or Fr Amorth. Rejecting the witness of Fr Amorth, because he may believe in Medjugoje, is saying because of this he must be a liar, which is absurd. And Fr Martin explains the reason for Assisi, which was a witness and seeding to the religious leaders of the world, ahead of Our Lady's coming" to which he bore witness in Fulda:

http://www.fatima.org/thirdsecret/fulda.asp

Your critique is totally vapid.

The reason for you lack of objectivity, is because you dishonestly skew your appraisals for fear that finding yourself wrong (which you are - and very!) and thus you will be indicted for all the hate and self-exaltation you have directed against the conciliar church under a mask of false piety and which you presently hide in your soul in false justification.

Luke 16:15

And he said to them: You are they who justify yourselves before men, but God knoweth your hearts;

You call yourself a Catholic, but reject the canonisation of Pope John Paul 2, yet as St Thomas rightly said:

"Divine providence preserves the Church lest in such matters it should err through the fallible testimony of men."

So is the sanction for your behavior

Psalms 39:16

Let them immediately bear their confusion, that say to me: Tis well, tis well.

snowball · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2014, 04:44:25 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Martin's story changes depending on the audience.

absolutely, every word out of his mouth or written by his hand
should be immediately disregarded as a lie.

snowball · « **Reply #27 on:** November 21, 2014, 04:47:26 PM »

Quote from: snowball

Quote from: Ladislaus
Martin's story changes depending on the audience.

absolutely, MM is among the least trustworthy sources ever
become famous. I don't like to speak ill of the dead but I wouldn't
recommend taking anything he's ever sais seriously, because he
was a spy and counter-intelligence asset.

andysloan · « **Reply #28 on:** November 21, 2014, 04:59:25 PM »

BTNYC said:

"You seem very fond of interminably quoting certain passaages from the writings of the saints and from private revelations and regarding them as if they enjoy some kind of infallible dogmatic character when in fact they do not. "

I don't regard them as infallible, but:

1 Corinthians 14:6

"But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in doctrine?"

Ecclesiasticus 6:34-36

"If thou wilt incline thy ear, thou shalt receive instruction: and if thou love to hear, thou shalt be wise. Stand in the multitude of ancients that are wise, and join thyself from thy heart to their wisdom, that thou mayst hear every discourse of God, and the sayings of praise may not escape thee.
And if thou see a man of understanding, go to him early in the morning, and let thy foot wear the steps of his doors."

For the reason why you skew the meaning of what St Catherine says, see the previous post.

God preserves the Church from ex-cathedra error which we are boiund to believe for salvation and if Popes make private error, this can be ignored - Matt 23:1-3

But we are strictly bound to maintain submission:

"We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #29 on:** November 21, 2014, 09:33:19 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

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I don't know why everyone keeps calling Malachi "Father" Martin. He was laicized. Despite the fact that the Sacramental character of Holy Orders remained, he ceased to be "Father", could not function as such, and was not allowed the title "Father" any longer.

Completely wrong

He himself was maddeningly vague on that point, referring to himself in public as "Doctor" Martin, rather than "Father" or "Reverend," while accepting all of these titles from others indifferently.

Once you are a priest, you are a priest forever. Even if you are laicized, you remain a priest. Whether you go to Heaven or Hell. Ordination is a sacrament that you cannot erase from the timeline.

Did you even READ what I posted?

:read-paper: Huh?