Author Topic: Former sedevacantist nuns five years later (Read 6627 times)

songbird · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2012, 09:39:02 PM »

The infil"traitors" are always busy. CMRI had this with nuns, and then seminarians who had to make a chose. They are there for the vocation, or if they are there to infiltrate, then get out! Communism , the devil, is everywhere to make a complete take over. I am very glad that Bishop P. did what needed to be done. This is CMRI's mission. If you are in disagreement and you are unhappy, leave. But if you are here to not do God's work and to put your efforts to changing minds in a 180 degree turn, leave! The problem is not CMRI, it is those who are there for other reasons than to serve God!

Emerentiana · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2012, 09:45:05 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

Quote from: Nishant
They believe as they always believed, they live the religious life they always lived.

No, they don't. They once believed that heresy was heresy; that's why they left the Bogus Ordo. These women spent decades serving Our Lord and His Church as sisters faithful to Tradition. They then decided (because they 'prayed' and talked with heretics) that they were 'led' to believe heresy again.

Sorry, but all of the devout 'prayer' and spiritual practices in the world don't lead true Christians to embrace heresy and disobey Holy Church and Her venerable Tradition. Their claim that whatever N.O. group they belong to is "energized by the H*ly Sp*rit" (whatever that means) reeks of the indifference of Protestantism. Go 'pray' and get 'led' by some spirit and everything will be fine.

Fact is, either Montini authorized and issued a new missal in rejection of and disobedience to Quo Primum, or he didn't. Either Roncalli was a Freemason or he wasn't.

Montini did, and Roncalli was.

Wojtyla and Ratzinger are no better; in fact, they are demonstrably worse heretics than Montini and Roncalli combined.

These women should just either go back to their bongos and their spirit "energy" or drop all that nonsense and return to Tradition. The most sickening thing about that whole article is the sense that they are trying to balance both innovative heresy and so-called reverence. Disgusting.

What about 'buddhists' that have been 'reverently' worshiping a piece of cement? What about Protestants that worship a book and a 'J*sus' that only exists as an amalgam of their particular theological inclinations? Are their religious posturings somehow valid now, because they are reverent and zealous?

Sounds like these women had some misguided reasons to disobey their VALIDLY-ORDAINED SUPERIORS who were (and are) teaching the Faith rightly and in strict adherence to Tradition. Whatever they discovered when they were 'led' to subvert their Bishop's authority by holding clandestine meetings with heretics certainly wasn't of God.

One last thing... all the strictures about prayer postures, smoking, etc... WHY were these women so upset and calling these things 'cult-like'? Was Francis of Assisi cult-like when he mortified himself in even more severe ways? How about Gemma Galgani? I thought the point of having spiritual directors in the Church who are your superiors was precisely IN ORDER that they DIRECT you to mortify pride and take stock of your actions, thoughts and speech.

Poor, deluded, compromised women. May Our Lord Jesus, through the intercession of St. Clare and St. John Vianney, engender in these women once again a humble submission to holy, consecrated life in the One Church and save them from these mortally sinful choices.

SO RIGHT Steven! They are a mess. All caused by disobedience to Superiors!

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2012, 09:59:16 PM »

+JMJ+

Deo gratias. Whatever I have said that made any sense has been because I lay my mind, heart and will in Our Lady's hands and ask Her motherly help in order that my fiat to Our Lord God and His Church might somehow, in some tiny and insignificant way, reflect Hers.

Holy Saints and Apostles, models of self-denial and mortification of all that displeases Our Lord, pray for us.

Mary, Help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

SJB · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2012, 07:33:53 AM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

Granted, there always have been and always will be people who abuse power, even righteous and legitimate power, because we are ALL in need of daily conversion. Bishops, however, as much or more so than priests, have a charism from God that not only sometimes leads them to direct in ways that seem overzealous, but also have an authority that we laypeople simply do not have. In short, if my most reverend Bishop is not asking me to deny dogmas of the Church or to blaspheme or otherwise commit sin, then if he says "walk backwards", I ask "until I reach where, your Excellency?"

With respect to the laity, neither a priest or bishop has dominative power over the laity. It's not about an "abuse" of power, it's that the power does not even exist.

Remember, we're talking about the laity. The dominative power a religious superior has over his subjects (as a result of the vow of obedience) is entirely different.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2012, 08:45:45 AM »

SJB,

I find it hard to believe that the successors to the Apostles have no power over the laity to command obedience. I am not saying it is an all-encompassing power to do whatever they wish, but certainly their authority which is by virtue of their valid succession is more than an academic or administrative one.

Believe me, when I read what was written for the first time, I was taken aback as well. I honestly do not know how I would have felt if I were being given directives such as those. I truly hope and pray that I would have been immediately obedient, even if what was happening was a temporary cross that I was being called to bear. Sometimes Our Lord sees fit to allow us to suffer under things that are (or seem) unjust; our UNDERSTANDING is not the goal; our submission to His Holy Will is.

Mary, Help of Christians, pray for us.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

P.S. WHY was my reply to the kind comments directed to me thumbed down? I apologize if my words seemed overly flowery or high-handed, but they are sincere, even if I do come off as petulant sometimes. I tend to flex my vocabulary when I am in a good mood :) because it's much better than the gutter filth I would commonly spew when I was not in any sense cooperating with God's graces.