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Offline Yeti

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Re: Father Cekada Dying
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2020, 03:26:27 PM »
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  • It is a variation of the name Diamond.
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    EDIT: Here is another piece of evidence from Yahoo Answers.

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #76 on: September 12, 2020, 04:02:06 PM »
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  • The Dimonds are Jew converts (?) anyway, and Richard Ibranyi thinks we haven't had a pope since 1130 AD, so I'm not sure what can be proved by looking at those people.
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    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #77 on: September 12, 2020, 04:02:21 PM »
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  • I just started a new thread on this because this is getting off-topic for here.

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #78 on: September 12, 2020, 04:25:08 PM »
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  • I'm sad to hear about Fr. Cekada's death. He was an important voice to contend with, whose arguments must be handled with respect. While I do not agree with the Sede position, I know that if it hadn't been for the evil perpetrated by the VII Popes, there wouldn't be a need for R&Rism or SVism. The fault lies at the very top on this one. There will be a holy Pope one day and on that day we'll be able to make sense out of all of this. Requiescat in Pace.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #79 on: September 12, 2020, 10:21:36 PM »
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  • Sedes don't believe this at all. :facepalm:
    as a non sede, I've defended sede clergy from the charge of believing this, and I know many sede laypeople don't believe this.  There are some super obnoxious sede laity online, however, who do


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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #80 on: September 13, 2020, 11:15:35 AM »
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  • The Dimonds are Jew converts (?) anyway, and Richard Ibranyi thinks we haven't had a pope since 1130 AD, so I'm not sure what can be proved by looking at those people.

    Yeti,

    I believe you are right about Michael Dimond’s ethnic heritage, but allow me to extrapolate from there.

    It appears Most Holy Family Monastery was a fraud from the beginning.  A Jєωιѕн writer’s den of misinformation.

    Perhaps 90% of the content of their publications appears to be Catholic, but there’s the 10% poison.

    Case in point, was Diamond 2006 article on the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    The article was a fascinating read, but the extreme Sede conclusions
    were that we should forget about the Consecration, cause it had already been done in 1952 by Pope Pius XII.

    The article was so sophisticated in it’s sleight of hand, it could not have been written by Diamond.
    It was written by a team of anti-Catholic propagandists.

    In other words, the Most Holy Family monastery (MHFM) is a front for rabbinic writer’s workshop... a “Ringer’s” cell of propaganda.

    Their goal is “instigate” doubt and to put Catholics into despair.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #81 on: September 13, 2020, 11:28:47 AM »
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  • So far, regarding the Dimonds being Jєωιѕн, we have: a) some Jews have the last name, Diamond; and, b) there's an article on the Consecration of Russia that's so "sophisticated" it couldn't have been written by the Dimonds but by "ant-Catholic propogandists." 

    Let me know if I left something out. 

    To recap . . . so far we have nothing.   :laugh2:

    I for one hope this thread disappears very fast so as not to show up on the recent topics list.

    Perhaps someone wandering onto this site wouldn't exactly be fortified regarding other conclusions of Traditional Catholics.  :fryingpan:
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #82 on: September 13, 2020, 11:31:11 AM »
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  • So far, regarding the Dimonds being Jєωιѕн, we have: a) some Jews have the last name, Diamond; and, b) there's an article on the Consecration of Russia that's so "sophisticated" it couldn't have been written by the Dimonds but by "ant-Catholic propogandists."

    Let me know if I left something out.

    To recap . . . so far we have nothing.   :laugh2:

    I for one hope this thread disappears very fast so as not to show up on the recent topics list.

    Perhaps someone wandering onto this site wouldn't exactly be fortified regarding other conclusions of Traditional Catholics.  :fryingpan:
    May Father Cekada rest in peace.  :pray:

    I was referring to this thread:  https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/dimond-brothers-are-jews/msg714305/?topicseen#msg714305
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #83 on: September 13, 2020, 06:12:00 PM »
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  • So far, regarding the Dimonds being Jєωιѕн, we have: a) some Jews have the last name, Diamond; and, b) there's an article on the Consecration of Russia that's so "sophisticated" it couldn't have been written by the Dimonds but by "ant-Catholic propogandists."

    Let me know if I left something out.

    To recap . . . so far we have nothing.   :laugh2:

    I for one hope this thread disappears very fast so as not to show up on the recent topics list.

    Perhaps someone wandering onto this site wouldn't exactly be fortified regarding other conclusions of Traditional Catholics.  :fryingpan:
    Good post. I don’t care much for the Dimonds, but there are a lot of nuts on this site that find a jew in every box of Cracker Jack. I should get at least 2 downvotes for this one. 😂
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
    « Reply #84 on: September 13, 2020, 06:26:51 PM »
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  • So far, regarding the Dimonds being Jєωιѕн, we have: a) some Jews have the last name, Diamond; and, b) there's an article on the Consecration of Russia that's so "sophisticated" it couldn't have been written by the Dimonds but by "ant-Catholic propogandists."


    Let me know if I left something out?




    DR, You forgot discernment.

    Sede's are fueled by their intellectual pride.  


    But read closely the article I referenced and let me know if it's Catholic... in your estimation.  Dimonds Fatima Consecration

    Like I said, it's a most intriguing argument, but the Dimonds couldn't have written it.  

    Their "Consecration is done already" theory came from a rabbinic think tank.


    Finally, from your sede perspective, help us understand the Dimond's orders and how they became "holy religious"?  :jester:





    By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B.
    -The question is: Can you handle the truth on this issue?
    -The truth that you won’t hear from “Fr.” Gruner; the stunning facts on an issue that we’ve all been brainwashed only to consider from one angle
    -An article that every traditional Catholic needs to read

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”Our Lady: “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”
    “…cuм placuerint Domino viae hominis inimicos quoque eius convertet ad pacem.”
    * If you have the capability, you will want to print this article in color, since there are color pictures.
    * Emphasis in this article (bolding, underlining and italicization) is not necessarily that of the quoted author and is usually my own.

    IN THIS ARTICLE:

    -FACT #1: POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY – POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED NOT THE WORLD, BUT SPECIFICALLY RUSSIA, ON JULY 7, 1952

    -FACT #2: WHAT OUR LADY MEANS BY THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA – THE STRIKING EVIDENCE
    -THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY CONSIDERING PORTUGAL – “THE SHOWCASE OF OUR LADY”
    -THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY SR. LUCY’S SUMMARY OF THE TUY VISION
    -“THE GOOD WILL BE MARTYRED” AND “VARIOUS NATIONS WILL BE ANNIHILATED” ARE PROPHECIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED
    -WHAT RUSSIA WAS CONVERTED FROM – SNAPSHOTS OF THE SATANIC REGIME IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
    -HE WILL DO THE CONSECRATION, BUT IT WILL BE “LATE”
    -OUR LADY’S WORDS REVEAL TO US THAT HER TRIUMPH IS NOT A UNIVERSAL TRIUMPH OR REIGN OF PEACE, BUT ONLY A “CERTAIN” PERIOD OF PEACE
    -THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA =…
    -THE EVIDENCE
    -SOME LEFTOVER OBJECTIONS – AND SR. LUCY DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IF PIUS XII’S 1942 CONSECRATION OF THE WORLD WAS ACCEPTED IN HEAVEN
    -PART II: THE EVIDENCE EXPOSING THE IMPOSTOR SR. LUCY
    -THE FALSE MESSAGE OF “FR.” NICHOLAS GRUNER
    One of the most frequent questions that we receive concerns Our Lady’s statement at Fatima on July 13, 1917:

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    You see hell, where the souls of poor sinners go.  To save them God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to my Immaculate Heart.  If they do what I will tell you, many souls will be saved, and there will be peace.  The war is going to end.  But if they do not stop offending God, another and worse war will begin in the reign of Pius XI. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that it is a great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays.  If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.  If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.  The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.  In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    The Vatican II “Popes” must be true Popes, so the objection goes, because one of them will finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the entire nation will be converted to the Catholic Faith.  That hasn’t happened, so you cannot be right that they are Antipopes.
    First, in examining this issue it is important for people to clear their minds of any preconceived notions or prejudices in this area.  They must be prepared to take a fresh new look at the facts.  Let’s jump right into this very important issue:

    FACT #1: POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY – POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED NOT THE WORLD, BUT SPECIFICALLY RUSSIA, ON JULY 7, 1952

    Many know that Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1942.  Many do not know that Pope Pius XII specifically consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1952.

    I didn’t know this until I began studying this issue in some depth.  But this important fact is revealed even in the books promoted by “Fr.” Nicholas Gruner’s apostolate.

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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 1, p. 498: “…in 1952.  On July 7 of the same year, a month after the article by Dhanis, Pope Pius XII in his apostolic letter Sacro Vergente Anno, accomplished this consecration of Russia and it alone, by name – so much for Dhanis declaring it impossible!” (Immaculate Heart Publications)
    This fact can also be found in the book Fatima in Twilight:

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    Mark Fellows, Fatima in Twilight, p. 119: “The letter went on to request that Pius consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart.  He [Pius XII] did so in a letter to all Russians (Sacro vergente anno), writing in pertinent part, ‘today we consecrate and in a most special manner entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…’” (Marmion Publications, 2003)
    Here are the words of Pope Pius XII:

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    Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952: “…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”
    Thus, it is an undeniable fact that Pope Pius XII specifically consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    But didn’t Our Lady promise that Russia would be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world?  No!  This is a key point.  Our Lady requested that Russia be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world, but on July 13 she only promised that “In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”  Notice that Our Lady didn’t promise: “The Holy Father and all the bishops will consecrate Russia to me…”  Further, heaven revealed that the actual fulfillment of the consecration of Russia would not be fully in accord with heaven’s original wishes; for instance, it would be “late” (more on this in a bit).


    FACT #2: OUR LADY NEVER SAID THAT THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA MEANS THAT RUSSIA WOULD BE CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH

    The question that we must re-examine is: did Our Lady ever say that Russia would be converted to “the Catholic Faith”?  Is there any evidence that Our Lady ever said that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith?  The answer, which will probably surprise many, is no.  I have just completed a careful study of Frere Michel’s 3-volume work The Whole Truth About Fatima (more than 2000 pages on the issue).  I was looking for some evidence, any evidence, that Our Lady ever said that the “conversion” of Russia means that the nation of Russia will be converted to the Catholic Faith.  In the entire 3-volume set, there is no evidence whatsoever that Our Lord or Our Lady ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.  [Please note: I’m not examining the question of whether heaven would want the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith, which of course it would, since outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.  Rather, I’m addressing the question of whether heaven ever said or promised that the nation of Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.  There is no evidence that heaven ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.]

    But of course it means that the entire country will be converted to the Catholic Faith,” as one person told us, “for it couldn’t mean anything else!”  This person even said that it is absurd to think that Our Lady would ever use the word “conversion” to mean anything but a conversion to the true Faith.  Oh really?  Well, this person may be surprised to learn that in Proverbs 16:7 we find a reference to “conversion” that does not mean conversion to the true faith, but the conversion of a persecuting enemy to peace (i.e. to a cessation of his persecuting ways).

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”
    In fact, notice the similarity between Our Lady’s words of July 13 and Proverbs 16:7: in the context of both, conversion is immediately linked with peace, after a man fulfills the request of the Lord.  

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”Our Lady: “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”

    After studying this issue in depth, and taking a fresh new look at the facts, I am of the firm opinion that Our Lady’s words correspond to what we read here in Proverbs 16:7: the “conversion” of Russia does not mean the conversion of the nation to the Catholic faith, but rather the conversion of a persecuting enemy (Russia) to a certain period of peace.  We will see exactly what this means as we proceed, and that the evidence from the message of Fatima supports this conclusion.

    THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY CONSIDERING PORTUGAL – “THE SHOWCASE OF OUR LADY”

    To attempt to substantiate their position that Russia has not been consecrated, “Fr.” Gruner and his supporters often bring up the case of Portugal as the “Showcase of Our Lady.”  They point out that when the Portuguese Bishops consecrated their nation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on May 13, 1931, the result was an incredible Catholic renaissance and social reform.  They say that Our Lady used Portugal as a “showcase” of what she would do for Russia and the rest of the world.

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    John Vennari, “It Doesn’t Add Up,” The Fatima Crusader, Issue #70: “Thus it is not hard to understand why Portugal at this time has been called the ‘Showcase of Our Lady’. And this triple miracle of Portugal stands as a preview of how Russia and the world will look after the Collegial Consecration of Russia.”
    However, in bringing up the example of Portugal, they provide more evidence that Our Lady’s promise of the “conversion” of Russia did not mean the conversion of the entire nation to the Catholic Faith.  For they fail to note that even after the bishops consecrated the nation of Portugal (a nation that was already almost entirely Catholic in population) the country did not become a Catholic country!
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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 2, p. 420: “Curiously, in this accord [of the Portuguese nation], the Catholic religion is not recognized as the official religion of the Portuguese State, and therefore in theory the separation of Church and State remains.”
    If Portugal itself (a nation that was already almost entirely Catholic) wasn’t even changed into a Catholic country after its consecration, this is further evidence that the conversion of Russia does not mean a conversion of the nation to the Catholic faith.  The 1959 Portuguese Constitution doesn’t even mention the name of God.  (WTAF, Vol. 3, p. 741)
    THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY SR. LUCY’S SUMMARY OF THE TUY VISION
    In order to attempt to substantiate their position that Russia will be converted to the Catholic faith, many cite the vision of Tuy, in which Our Lady promised to “save” Russia:
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    Our Lady to Sr. Lucy, June 13, 1929, at Tuy: “The moment has come when God asks the Holy Father to make, in union with all the bishops of the world, the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 464)
    What is HUGELY SIGNIFICANT is that Frere Michel admits that Sr. Lucy summarized this communication at Tuy in a slightly different manner in two letters to Fr. Goncalves:
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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 2, p. 465: “[page after quoting what you just read] Let us point out right away that in 1930, in two letters to Father Goncalves, Sister Lucy was to express in a slightly different manner the requests of heaven… [Sister Lucy]: ‘The good Lord promises to end the persecution in Russia, if the Holy Father will himself make a solemn act of reparation and consecration of Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary, as well as ordering all the bishops of the Catholic Church to do the same.  The Holy Father must then promise that upon the ending of this persecution he will approve and recommend the practice of the reparatory devotion already described.’”
    So, according to Sr. Lucy, the message at Tuy that Our Lord will “save” Russia means that the Lord promises to “end the persecution in Russia,” thus corroborating the point that there is no evidence that heaven ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic faith.  We find the same thing in another vision that Our Lord granted to Sr. Lucy in 1940:

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    Our Lord to Sr. Lucy, Oct. 22, 1940: “I will punish the nations for their crimes by means of war, famine and persecution of My Church and this will weigh especially upon My Vicar on earth.  His Holiness will obtain an abbreviation of these days of tribulation if he takes heed of My wishes by promulgating the Act of Consecration of the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with a special mention of Russia.” (The Whole Truth About Fatima – abbreviated: WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 732)
    The consecration of Russia will “obtain an abbreviation” of the tribulation that is caused by the persecutions of Russia, perfectly coinciding with our point about what Our Lady meant by the “conversion” of Russia.  Most importantly, however, we can see what Our Lady meant in context by the conversion of Russia in a careful consideration of her words on July 13.

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    The war is going to end.  But if they do not stop offending God, another and worse war will begin in the reign of Pius XI. When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that it is a great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this I come to ask the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and the Communion of reparation on the first Saturdays.  If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.  If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.  The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.  In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”
    Notice, the consecration of Russia was specifically requested to prevent “war… hunger and persecution of the Church…”  This shows us that Our Lady’s words on the consecration of Russia were firmly set within this context – i.e. converting this enemy to peace from these persecutions of “war… hunger… of the Church.”

    This point is corroborated when one considers the “great sign” mentioned by Our Lady in the context of her request for the consecration of Russia.  Our Lady says: “When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that it is a great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this…”  This “sign” was not some “small sign,” but the “great sign” that heaven gave in the context of the consecration of Russia and the punishments the consecration of Russia would prevent.
    Well, everyone knows that this “great sign” was the unknown light that lit up the sky on Jan. 25, 1938, just prior to the events that precipitated World War II.

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    An aurora borealis of exceptional size furrowed the sky of Western Europe last night; it caused an uproar in a number of departments, which at first believed it to be a gigantic fire.  In the entire region of the Alps, the population was much intrigued by this strange spectacle.  The sky was ablaze like an immense moving furnace, provoking a very strong blood-red glow.” (Le Nouvelliste de Lyon, Jan. 26, 1938.)
    I think that most people can agree that this sign doesn’t seem that significant to us from our vantage point today.  Yet, within the context of the consecration of Russia, and the “war… hunger… and persecution of the Church…” which it was requested to prevent, this was the “great sign” that heaven gave.  This shows us again how firmly within this specific context Our Lady’s words for the consecration of Russia were – converting this enemy to peace from its persecutions of war, persecutions of the Church, etc.
    “THE GOOD WILL BE MARTYRED” AND “VARIOUS NATIONS WILL BE ANNIHILATED” ARE PROPHECIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED
    In order to further understand what Our Lady meant by the “conversion” of Russia, it is important for us to understand what she meant by things she mentioned in the same context; for instance, “various nations will be annihilatedand “the good will be martyred.”  

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    Our Lady of Fatima, July 13, 1917:If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.  If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.  The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated…”
    Many believe that Our Lady’s words “various nations will be annihilated” and “the good will be martyred” (as a result of the spread of Russia’s errors) still have not been fulfilled.  However, the truth is that both of these things have already been fulfilled.

    VARIOUS NATIONS WERE ANNIHILATED
    As we will see, even Frere Michel, an author whose work is promoted by Nicholas Gruner’s apostolate, admits that the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations and other small States during the period of World War II, which it simply annexed to itself making them exist no longer, constituted the annihilation of nations of which Our Lady spoke.

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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 3, p. 190: “In 1939 the USSR was still the only communist state in the world… Six years laterseveral nations were erased from the map, absorbed by the Soviet empire, a dozen countries entered Moscow’s orbit and retained only the appearance of liberty, while others were agitated by internal wars or gravely threatened by communist subversion.  The prophecy of Fatima was being fulfilled to the letter.”

    Besides the nations of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. which entered the orbit of the Soviet Empire, and were reduced to puppets of its machine, the Baltic nations, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, were actually erased from the map – completely annihilated by full absorption into the Soviet Empire.

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    The small Baltic nations – Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia – were now ready for Stalin to pluck.  He moved at once to impose ‘mutual assistance treaties’ on them, whose only significant clause provided for stationing large numbers of Soviet troops on their territory.  These treaties were signed on September 28 (Estonia), October 5 (Latvia), and October 10 (Lithuania).  They could now be taken over at any time.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, Christendom Press, p. 310)
    An article carried on the website of the Joint Baltic American National Committee notes that:

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    “On July 23, 1940, Sumner Welles, acting US Secretary of State, stated that the ‘devious processes whereby the political independence and territorial integrity of the three small Baltic republics – Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – were to be deliberately annihilated by one of their more powerful neighbors, have been rapidly drawn to their conclusion.’” (Joint Baltic American Committee, http://www.jbanc.org/65joint.html)
    Notice, the absorption of the Baltic nations by the Soviet Union “annihilated” the political independence and territorial integrity of these nations (i.e., annihilated their nationhood itself)!  Another article on the website of the Joint Baltic American Committee notes that “…communism will be remembered not so much for what it left behind as for what it didn’t.  The decades of totalitarian rule annihilated cultures…” (http://store.yahoo.com/jbanc2000/newsun.html)
    Our Lady’s words about the annihilation of nations clearly refer to the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations, which literally erased them from the map by absorption.  But there are some who believe that Our Lady’s words refer to nuclear catastrophe that will happen in the future.  To attempt to prove this point, they will quote Sr. Lucy’s words to Fr. Fuentes.

    Sister Lucy to Fr. Fuentes, 1957: “Tell them, Father, that many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth.  She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation.”

    Sr. Lucy is obviously reiterating Our Lady’s words about the annihilation of nations.  However, if a nation were devastated by nuclear catastrophe, it wouldn’t disappear.  It would still be visible, but as an empty and devastated wasteland.  The only way to make a nation literally “disappear” is by erasing it from the map by incorporation into another country, as happened with the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations.  In stunning confirmation of this point, here is what the Soviet Foreign Minister, Molotov, said to the Lithuanian Foreign Minister (concerning the Soviet Union’s imminent takeover of the Baltic nations):

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    Soviet Foreign Minister, Molotov, to Lithuanian Foreign Minister: “You must take a good look at reality and understand that in the future small nations will have to disappear.  Your Lithuania along with the other Baltic nations…” (quoted by Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 306)
    This map (above) of Eastern Europe before World War II defines the Baltic nations (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) before they were annihilated and made to disappear by full absorption into the satanic Soviet Empire

    This map of Eastern Europe and the Communist Bloc after WWII defines the disappearance and annihilation of the Baltic nations by full absorption into the Soviet Empire

    The annihilation of nations, the making of nations “disappear,” clearly refers to the Soviet Union and its takeover of the Baltic States.  Frere Michel even applies the “annihilation of nations” to the other nations that the Soviet Union incorporated into its orbit as satellites, such as Poland, etc.  However, it most specifically refers to the erasing of the Baltic nations, as well as other small provinces such as North Bukovina and Bessarabia.  And this surely would have happened to “many” other nations if Russia had not been consecrated.

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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 3, pp. 193-194: “Is it necessary to enumerate these nations, which perhaps Our Lady of Fatima designated, announcing that ‘various nations will be annihilated’?  Torn from their age-old traditions, and from their Church, their society destroyed by the great Bolshevik machine, in effect, these countries are no longer themselves… There is Albania, where the persecution against the Church began in 1945.  There is Hungary, with its 7 million Catholics out of 10 million inhabitants, where the apostolic nuncio was expelled in April, 1945… There is Poland (22 million Catholics), where in September, 1945, the government decided to break the concordat.  There is Czechoslovakia, where out of 12 million inhabitants, almost nine million were Catholics.  There is Orthodox Romania with its valiant minority of 3 million Eastern Rite faithful, where the government awaits the favorable hour to perform the same forced integration to the schismatic Church as in Ukraine.  There is Bulgaria, where the Church numbers only 57,000.  There is Tito’s Yugoslavia… where a bloody persecution began in June – July, 1945.”
    In every Communist nation controlled by the Soviet Union, the press, the radio and education were totally controlled by the State.  This became the sad and gloomy reality in country after country that fell to Communism.  All of these satellites also vigorously persecuted the Church.  For instance:

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    “In Romania, with the active complicity of Patriarch Alexis of Moscow and the entire Orthodox national hierarchy, the communists decided on the liquidation, pure and simple, of the Greek-Catholic Church, which numbered 1,600,000 Faithful at the time.  ‘Towards the end of October, 1948, they proceeded to arrest the Byzantine Catholic Bishops, vicar generals, canons, and the majority of priests, about 600 in all.  The government then proceeded to the confiscation of churches, and convents of monks and religious, in spite of their resistance.’  On December 1 [1948], the communist government published the decree suppressing the Eastern Catholic Church.” (WTAF, Vol. 3, pp. 255-256)
    And this led to the “good being martyred,” which has also been fulfilled:

    THE GOOD WERE MARTYRED
    It is simply a fact that countless Catholics were martyred at the hands of the Soviet Union and its Communist satellites.  Since this is well known, I will not give many quotes to prove the point.  But it is significant to note again that even Frere Michel, whose work on Fatima is promoted by “Fr.” Nicholas Gruner, admits that the “good will be martyred” has already occurred.

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    Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite, The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 2, p. 764: “When, in a letter of January 21, 1940, Sister Lucy mentioned in connection with the war ‘the blood spilled by the martyrs’, which in the end would appease the divine wrath, and when Our Lady announced in her Secret that ‘the good will be martyred,’ how can we forget about these millions of Ukrainian or Polish Catholics martyred by the Bolsheviks?
    A prime example comes from Russia in 1923.  At that time, Moscow attempted to blackmail the Vatican into granting its regime diplomatic recognition.  Moscow gave orders for the arrest of high-placed cleric Msgr. Cieplak (apostolic administrator of the diocese of Mohilev), his vicar general, Msgr. Budkiewicz, and thirteen other priests.  These clerics declared that they would not observe the 1922 law of the Soviet Union forbidding teaching the Catholic Faith to children (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 310).  Moscow agreed to their release if the Vatican agreed to diplomatic relations with its regime.  The Russian regime knew that once the Vatican established diplomatic relations with it, the rest of Europe would follow.   But the Vatican could not grant it such recognition, so Moscow executed the sentence:

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    On Holy Thursday of 1923, Msgr. Budkiewicz was martyred with frightful cruelty.  Brutally pushed across a dark corridor, he fell and broke his legStripped of his clothes and no longer able to walk, the martyr was dragged by the ears all the way to the detachment of guards.  One of his ears had been severed.  In the gaping hole, he was given a revolver shot.  Father Walsh… heard the shot ring out among shouts, drunken singing and bursts of laughter.  So that no relics would remain, the martyr’s body was burned and his ashes dispersed.  And this was the signal for a series of attacks against the hierarchy, clergy and laity, many of whom were sent to the icy prisons of Solowki on the Black Sea, where a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ was specially assigned for Christians; others died in prison, some of them reduced to madness by the torments they had endured.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, pp. 576-577)
    “…during the year 1922 alone more than 800 Catholic and Orthodox priests, brothers and nuns were shot in Russia.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 564)
    Pope Pius XI, Letter to Cardinal Pompili, Feb. 2, 1930: “This past year during the Christmas holy days, not only were hundreds of churches [in Russia] closed, great numbers of icons burned, all workers and schoolchildren compelled to work and Sundays suppressed, but they even compelled factory workers, both men and women, to sign a declaration of formal apostasy and hatred against God, or else be deprived of their bread rationing cards, without which every inhabitant of this poor country is reduced to dying of hunger, misery and cold.  Among other things, in all the cities and in many villages… during the Christmas holy days last year: they witnessed a procession of tanks manned by numerous ruffians clad with sacred vestments, taking the cross in derision and spitting upon it while other armored cars transported huge Christmas trees, from which marionettes representing Catholic and Orthodox bishops were hung by the neck.  In the center of the city, other young hoodlums committed all sorts of sacrileges against the cross.” (quoted in WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 539)

    In 1946 the Soviet authorities removed every Lithuanian bishop but one from his diocese… From 1946 to 1948, 357 priests – one-third of all the priests in Lithuania – were deported to labor camps in Russia and Siberia.  One of them, who had been sentenced to 25 years (which meant death, since virtually no one survived more than ten years in the camps) was offered his freedom, one of the largest churches in Vilinius, and 100,000 rubles if he would head a schismatic Lithuanian Catholic church.  He refused, and disappears.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 364-365)
    (As an aside, this priest could have been spared the horrors of the labor camps if he had simply consented to becoming an Eastern Schismatic.  He refused, and suffered horribly.  This shows us again the evil of false ecuмenism.  Post-Vatican II ecuмenism, which accepts and praises Eastern Orthodoxy, holds that his martyrdom was pointless.)
    Dead bodies of Lithuanians after the Soviet Union eliminated those it deemed threats to full takeover
    In 1936, the errors of Russian communism stirred up a revolution and the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.  What resulted was arguably the worst persecution of the Catholic Church in history:

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    Almost all at once the h0Ɩ0cαųst of Spain began [in 1936].  The chief target of the revolutionaries was… the Catholic Church.  During the next three months, the Catholic priests, religious and laity who were caught in the half of Spain where the Republic retained control, were the victims of the bloodiest persecution the Church has experienced since that of the Roman Emperor Diocletian in the fourth century.  In all, 6,549 priests and 283 nuns were martyred, many in the classic circuмstances of martyrdom, offered life if they renounced their faith and death if they upheld it.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 285)
    Hugh Thomas, considered the premier historian of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr, gives us some details on these martyrdoms:
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    “In Cervera, rosary beads were forced into monks’ ears till their eardrums were perforatedCertain persons were burned, and others buried, alive – the latter after being forced to dig their own graves.  At Alcazar de San Juan a young man, distinguished for his piety, had his eyes dug out.  In that province, Ciudad Real, the crimes were indeed atrocious.  A crucifix was forced down the mouth of the mother of two Jesuits.  Eight hundred persons were thrown down a mine shaft.” (quoted by Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 286)
    That the Spanish persecution was fueled and stirred up by the errors of Russia is beyond question; even some of the “attackers carried red banners with the hammer and sickle.” (Carroll, p. 288)

    One could multiply examples of the good being martyred for pages.  For instance, after the Soviet Union’s forced “reunification” of the schismatic “Church” with the Greek Catholic Church in 1945, there were countless Ukrainian Catholics who were martyred for their Faith:

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    Cardinal Slipyi: “On April 11, 1945, I was arrested with all the other bishops.  Less than a year later, over 800 priests had followed us into captivity.  From March 8-10, 1946, the illegal Synod of Lvov took place.  Under atheist pressure it proclaimed the ‘reunification,’ and by the very fact, the official liquidation of our Church was effected by brutal force.  The bishops were deported to every corner of the Soviet Union.  Almost all of them have died since then, or were killed in captivity… over 1,400 priests and 800 religious, to tens of thousands of the Faithful who in captivity sealed, by the sacrifice of their life, their fidelity to the Pope, the Roman Apostolic See and the Universal Church.” (WTAF, Vol. 3, p. 192)
    It is a fact that doesn’t need to be proven any further: the good were martyred in the Soviet Union, in its Communist satellites, and in other countries, such as Spain, where the errors of Russia stirred up bloody persecution.  Our Lady’s words that the good will be martyred, and various nations will be annihilated, have already been fulfilled.

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    Our Lady: “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.  If not she will scatter her errors through the world, provoking wars and persecutions of the Church.  The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated.  In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”
    Sr. Lucy to Fr. Jongen, Feb. 1946: “I think that now Our Lady’s words are being fulfilled: ‘If this is not done (she had just recalled ‘the exact request’ of the Blessed Virgin) Russia will spread her errors throughout the world.’” (WTAF, Vol. 3, p. 123)
    Some also ask: what about the persecution of the Holy Father, who will “have much to suffer”?  What is the meaning of this?  We find the answer in the aforementioned message of Our Lord to Sr. Lucy from 1940:

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    Our Lord to Sr. Lucy, Oct. 22, 1940: “I will punish the nations for their crimes by means of war, famine and persecution of My Church and this will weigh especially upon My Vicar on earth.  His Holiness will obtain an abbreviation of these days of tribulation if he takes heed of My wishes by promulgating the Act of Consecration of the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, with a special mention of Russia.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 732)
    The persecution of the Church during this period – the torture and martyrdom of priests and faithful, the suppression of ecclesiastical activity – weighed as an incredible burden and torment on the Pope who felt responsible, yet helpless, in the face of this tragedy.  With these facts in mind, we can see that all four aspects of Our Lady’s message, the spread of Russia’s errors, the martyrdom of the good, the annihilation of nations and the suffering of the Holy Father, had their application to this period.

    What people fail to realize is that Our Lady’s request for the consecration of Russia was given in this very same context.  The consecration and conversion of Russia was intended to prevent the punishments and torments and persecutions of Russia mentioned in this context.  In line with Proverbs 16:7, and Sr. Lucy’s summary of the Tuy vision, it means converting this enemy to peace from its ways of persecution.

    That is why Our Lady came to Tuy in 1929 to ask for the consecration of Russia.  In fact, Sr. Lucy didn’t mention a word about Russia until 1929.  1929 was a time when the horrors of Stalin’s Gulag started to become known in the world.  It was a time when the persecutions of Russia were about to reach their apex. 1929 was just prior to Stalin’s policy of “dekulakization,” a policy imposed from 1930-1934, which resulted in the death of millions of peasant farmers.  1929 was also just prior to Stalin’s unspeakable imposed famine of 1933, which resulted in the deaths of millions.  It makes sense that Our Lady would come back to ask for the consecration of Russia in order to prevent these horrible persecutions when they were at, or were about to reach, their most gruesome point.  The most serious demographers count at least fifteen million victims at the hands of Bolshevik Russia from the years 1929-1933 (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 457).

    At this point, it is very important for us to look at what those errors of Russia had become.  We need to get a closer look at the satanic regime of Communist Russia to get a better grasp on the context of the message of Our Lady.

    WHAT RUSSIA WAS CONVERTED FROM – SNAPSHOTS OF THE SATANIC REGIME IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
    Vladimir Lenin, maker of the Communist revolution, mass-murderer, and leader of Communist Russia from 1917-1924
    In 1917, Lenin closed all Catholic churches in Petrograd (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 169)
    In 1918, Lenin shut down all newspapers in Moscow except those published by the Communists.  This was soon extended to all printed material, including periodicals, etc. (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 116)

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    “In 1918, one could read the following words in the official organ of the Soviet of Petrograd: ‘We will render our hearts cruel, harsh, without pity.  We will open the dams of this bloody sea.  Without pity, without mercy, we will kill our enemies by the thousands.  We will drown them in their own blood.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 454)
    A decree of February 26, 1922 confiscated all the treasures of the Church, including consecrated objects.  At the same time, and this was still the very early stage of the Bolshevik horrors, Cardinal Mercier published the first figures of the persecution: “Statistics for the victims of the persecution are frightening.  Since November 1917, 260,000 simple soldier prisoners and 54,000 officers; 18,000 landed proprietors; 35,000 ‘intellectuals’; 192,000 workers; 815,000 peasants; 28 bishops and 1,215 priests were put to death.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 451)

    Things were so bad in Russia in 1922, that Pope Pius XI published the apostolic letter Annus Fere, ordering a general collection in favor of the starving Russian people.  In it, he spoke of the horrors suffered by the Russian people.  Though he didn’t denounce the satanic Communist regime in Russia by name, Pius XI spoke of “the extreme misery of the Russian people, who were decimated by disease and famine, victims of the greatest calamity in history…” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 565)

    Shortly after taking over Russia, in 1919 Lenin established the Gulag.  The Gulag was a network of cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs to which all “enemies” of the State could be sent.

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    In April 1919, following Dzerzhinsky’s recommendation and with Lenin’s approval, the Soviet government ordered the establishment of a network of cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs, at least one per province, the first of its kind in history, which served as a model and inspiration to Hitler and his nαzιs and was later to become infamous as the GULAG.  By 1923 the number of these camps had reached 315.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 142)
    It’s important for us to get a glimpse of the horrors of the Gulag.  For this purpose, I will quote from Warren H. Carroll who, in turn, draws from Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s famed work, The Gulag Archipelago.
    Alexander Solzhenitsyn as Gulag labor camp prisoner scs 262

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    “The famine dealt out death at home, or as far away from home as dying men could walk.  The labor camps dealt out death afarIt seems almost presumptuous for any man to write of the gulag, after Alexander Solzhenitsyn.  He was in it; he made its theme his own; he changed the world and history by what he wrote about it… Here we can only select, here and there, from Solzhenitsyn, and annotate him – to give a bit of the sense, the flavor, the sound of the wind from hell that blew across those killing grounds in the wilderness.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 243)
    Carroll then proceeds to describe the labor camp at Orotukan:

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    We may begin with Orotukan.  In the middle of the second volume of The Gulag Archipelago, Solzhenitsyn concludes a brief description of Orotukan (which he then locates only by a reference to the Kolyma River in far northern Siberia), whose horrors sound as bad but no worse than those of many other labor camps he has described, with this one stark sentence: ‘All who survived Orotukan say they would have preferred the gas chamber.’  All who were there and survived, and spoke about it, say they would have preferred death to survival?… On the far side of the Chersky Range from Yakutsk, the Kolyma River flowed into the Arctic Ocean.  It flowed, that is, during the summer.  In the winter it was a ribbon of ice, top to bottom; for the country around the Cherksy Range is the coldest spot on earth except for the center of Antarctica… On the Kolyma, the average winter temperature is sixty degrees below zero.  Seventy-five below is common

    Until November they had only shelters made of branches to live in, and were given no clothing but what they had arrived in.  Then they were given wooden barracks with walls made of single boards without insulation.  There were stoves for heating, but the laborers had to cut their own wood – at thirty and forty and fifty degrees below zero – after completing their day’s work.  These, still at Magadan, were the lucky ones.  The less fortunate were sent to begin building the road to Kolyma – in the middle of the winter… There were no barracks there, only tents and branch huts.  Patrolling dogs prevented escape.  Some of the camps on the route to the Kolyma were wiped out to the last man and dog – not only did all the slave laborers die, but also all of the guards
    man who froze to death at a Gulag labor camp
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    “As soon as the ice melted in the Gulf of Okhotsk more ships began arriving carrying more ‘kulaks,’ saboteurs, wreckers, and other undesirable folk from the country… When the ice melted at the end of the spring in 1934, the Dzhurma finally arrived at the mouth of the Kolyma.  Every one of the 12,000 prisoners aboard had died.  Nearly all the crew survived.  But on their return to Vladivostok, half of them had to be treated for ‘mental disorders.’  What had they seen?

    Orotukan was built as a punishment camp for those laborers on the Kolyma who survived and proved particularly intractable.  Conditions at Orotukan, therefore, had to be made worse than at any of the other camps in the region.  Solzhenitsyn tells us that every hut at Orotukan was surrounded on three sides by piles of frozen corpses.  The grand total death toll at the camps on the Kolyma was approximately three million.  Every year, one-third of the prisoners in its camps died; almost none survived more than four continuous years there.  At least one man died for every kilogram of gold extracted from the Kolyma mines…” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 243-245)
    Carroll also describes the Belomor Canal labor camps:

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    “The Belomor Canal labor force numbered about 300,000 at its peak, not counting the almost equally large number who died of overwork, mistreatment, undernourishment, or camp-induced disease, and were replaced as fast as they fell.  The death rate was 700 per day; but new prisoners came in to the camps in the Belomor Canal area at the rate of 1,500 per day.  Average survival time was two years… D.P. Vitkovsky, a Solovetsky prisoner himself who was a work supervisor on the canal, describes with calm and deadly precision the working conditions and their results, even for those who were not labor camp inmates:
    At the end of the workday there were corpses left on the work site.  The snow powdered their faces.  One of them was hunched over beneath an overturned wheelbarrow; he had hidden his hands in his sleeves and frozen to death in that position.  Someone had frozen with his head bent down between his knees.  Two were frozen back to back leaning against each other.  They were peasant lads and the best workers one could possibly imagine.  They were sent to the canal in tens of thousands at a time, and the authorities tried to work things out so no one got to the same subcamp as his father; they tried to break up families.  And right off they gave them norms of shingle and boulders that you’d be unable to fulfill even in summer.  No one was able to teach them anything, to warn them; and in their village simplicity they gave all their strength to their work and weakened very swiftly and froze to death, embracing in pairs.  At night the sledges went out and collected them.  The drivers threw the corpses onto the sledges with a dull clonk.
    And in the summer bones remained from corpses which had not been removed in time, and together with the shingle they got into the concrete mixer.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 248-249)
    Besides the countless people who were sent off to the labor camps and other regions from within Russia, the Soviet Union deported massive amounts of people from other countries which it occupied, in order to pave the way for the full takeover of these States.  People from Poland, the Baltic States, etc. were deported and dumped into regions where they had to fend for themselves, or they were sent to the labor camps.  This resulted in atrocious suffering and the deaths of countless Catholics:

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    “Massive deportations had already begun in Soviet-occupied Poland.  In February 1940 more than 200,000 people, most families, had been moved to northern European Russia, where they were dumped in small villages or thinly populated countryside where they had to fend for themselves; in April a still larger number, about 320,000 of the wives and children whose husbands and fathers had already been executed or consigned to labor camps, were sent to the wastes of Kazakhstan where most of the children died; in June a quarter of a million more were sent to Siberia.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 318)
    Joseph Stalin, arguably the greatest mass-murderer in history, leader of Communist Russia from 1924-1953
    From 1930-1934, Stalin instituted the policy of “dekulakization.”  Farmers that were opposed, or perceived as threats, to the Communist policy of collectivization of farms were dubbed “kulaks” and liquidated.  This unspeakable tragedy resulted in the deaths of 14.5 million:

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    “Who were these ‘kulaks’?… In May 1929 the Council of People’s Commissars formally defined a kulak as any farmer who made any money whatsoever from any source or activity other than the sale of agricultural produce grown in his own fields.  Any outside income, any processing of goods done on the farm (as by a small hand-operated mill), was sufficient to make a kulak.  When the campaign of liquidation was launched in 1930, from ten to fifteen per cent of the small farmers in every region were arbitrarily dubbed kulaks and liquidated.  If there were not enough of them fitting the May 1929 definition, others had to be added to fill up the quota.  They could be selected by income level, actual or apparent; by leadership in local villages… by opposition to forced collectivization (a particularly frequent reason for designation as a kulak); or simply by being devout ChristiansIt was the first act of a farm h0Ɩ0cαųst from 1930 to 1934 that took ten million lives by Stalin’s own estimate given to U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt at Yalta, and an estimated 14.5 million when all the victims, including those sent to the labor camps and dying there later, are taken into account.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 224-225)
    Here is the harrowing account of Miron Dolot.  Dolot witnessed the deportations of these “kulaks” from his hometown to the labor camps and other regions:

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    A cold wind blew snow on the unfortunates, who were not properly dressed, for they had not been allowed to take warm clothing with them.  We wanted to help somehow, and since we could assume that they would be banished to Siberia, we had to get them some heavy clothing… Under careful supervision of soldiers, a score of sleighs moved into the square.  They were to take the arrested farmers out of the village.  Loading of six to eight persons to a sleigh started immediately, controlled through the use of a list… husbands were separated from their wives, and children from their parents… As one sleigh moved to join a column, a young man sprang from it and raced toward another sleigh in which his helpless and weeping wife and children were riding.  The father obviously wanted to be with his family, but he did not reach them.  Comrade Pashchenko, the chairman of the village soviet who was supervising the whole action, raised his revolver and calmly fired.  The young father dropped dead into the snow, and the sleigh carrying his widow and orphans moved on.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 227-228)
    “There are reports of ‘kulaks’ on trains to Kazakhstan or Siberia, locked in cars each carrying fifty of them, with a loaf of bread and a pail of tea or thin soup per day per ten people (on days when it was delivered), crawling with vermin, unheated in winter, suffocatingly hot in summer, throwing their dying babies out the windows to put an end to their suffering.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 228)
    In 1933, in order to starve millions in the Ukraine, Stalin imposed ridiculous grain quotas on the collective farms.  The grain quotas imposed by Moscow were impossible to meet.  But in an attempt to comply with Moscow’s demands, all the available grain in the Ukraine was shipped off.  The result was that millions were left without food, to starve and to die.  To cover for his crime, Stalin falsely accused the Ukrainians of hoarding grain.
    Children in the largely Catholic Ukraine, left to starve and to die in the famine

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    The cold hard essence of the situation was this:  the Ukrainian farmers were going to die; and the Communist operatives feared death, or purging, or the labor camps if they did not let them die.  They knew there was no grain.  Everybody knew it.  But no one dared say it… Meanwhile the people were eating rats, mice, sparrows, snails, ants, and earthworms, leather and shoe soles, old skins and furs, ground-up bones, acacia bark and nettles.  By March, in many areas, even most of these things were gone, and there was nothing at all left to eat.  A ghastly silence fell over the countryside; there were no animals to make any sound, and the people still alive rarely spoke.  Victor Kravchenko, then a Party activist sent to Ukraine, who later repudiated communism and escaped to freedom, recalled what he had seen:

    Here I saw people dying in solitude by slow degrees, dying hideously, without the excuse of sacrifice for a cause.  They had been trapped and left to starve, each in his own home, by a political decision made in a far-off capital around conference and banquet tables.  There was not even the consolation of inevitability to relieve the horror.  The most terrifying sights were the little children with skeleton limbs dangling from balloon-like abdomens.  Starvation had wiped every trace of youth from their faces, turning them into tortured gargoyles; only in their eyes still lingered the reminder of childhood.  Everywhere we found men and women lying prone, their faces and bellies bloated, their eyes utterly expressionless… Some five million Ukrainians died in this genocidal, deliberate famine.” (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, pp. 240-241)
    At this point we can clearly see why, on July 13, 1917, Our Lady mentioned persecutions of “war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this I come to ask the consecration of Russia

    These facts should show us clearly the context in which Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia, and how the conversion of Russia means a conversion of this regime to peace from its persecutions of war, of hunger, of the Church, etc.

    HE WILL DO THE CONSECRATION, BUT IT WILL BE “LATE” – FITS POPE PIUS XII
    It is certain that Pope Pius XI failed to consecrate Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.  Pope Pius XII also failed to do so for many years, but (as we saw) he finally did consecrate Russia in 1952.

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    Our Lord to Sister Lucy, Summer, 1931: “Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late.  Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world provoking wars and persecutions against the Church: the Holy Father will have much to suffer.” (quoted in The Whole Truth About Fatima, Vol. 2, pp. 543-544)

    Pope Pius XII, Sacro Vergente Anno (Apostolic Letter), July 7, 1952: “…just as a few years ago We consecrated the entire human race to the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so today We consecrate and in a most special manner We entrust all the peoples of Russia to this Immaculate Heart…”
    It’s clear that, as most commentators agree, Our Lord’s words “They” will repent and do it apply to the line of Popes – just as Popes in encyclicals refer to themselves as “We.” (“They” cannot refer to the Pope and all the Bishops, because all the Bishops did not delay the request and therefore do not need to repent of delaying it.)

    That Pope Pius XII was the one who did it, but “late,” makes perfect sense.
    First, Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1942.  Ten years later, however, he “repented and did it” by specifically consecrating Russia.

    Second, in 1939 Russia was still the only Communist nation on earth, but in the next decade the Soviet Union overtook Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (1940), Bulgaria (1944), Poland (1945), Romania (1945) and Hungary (1946).  Perhaps these developments – in addition to a specific request – caused Pius XII to “repent and do it.”  Thus, Our Lord’s words that “Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world provoking wars and persecutions against the Church” fit precisely with Pius XII; for what heaven had intended to prevent by the consecration of Russia – the spread of Communism, and the Soviet Union’s annihilation of nations and martyrdom of the good – had, to a large extent, already occurred when he did it.
    Third, there may be another signal that Pope Pius XII (though he certainly did it late) would be the one who would actually consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  This signal comes in the amazing coincidence that Pope Pius XII was consecrated a bishop the very day (and, according to Frere Michel, the very same hour) that Our Lady first appeared at Fatima.

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    William Thomas Walsh, Our Lady of Fatima, 1954, p. 52 (note 1): “It is an interesting coincidence that Monsignor Eugenio Pacelli [Pius XII] was being consecrated Bishop at the Sistine Chapel in Rome on May 13, 1917, the very day when the children [first] saw the Lady of Fatima.”
    Fourth, a careful consideration of Our Lady’s words reveals that the actual fulfillment of the consecration of Russia would not be in perfect conformity with heaven’s original requests, which coincides with the fact that Pius XII did it, but “late” and not with all the bishops.
    OUR LADY’S WORDS REVEAL TO US THAT HER TRIUMPH IS NOT A UNIVERSAL TRIUMPH OR REIGN OF PEACE, BUT ONLY A “CERTAIN” PERIOD OF PEACE
    If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    Please notice this extremely important point!  In the Secret of July 13, Our Lady first expresses a conditional promise.  “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”  If her requests are fulfilled precisely, she says that there will be “peace.”  But when speaking of what will actually happen “In the end,” she adds
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
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  • DR, You forgot discernment.

    Sede's are fueled by their intellectual pride.  


    But read closely the article I referenced and let me know if it's Catholic... in your estimation.  Dimonds Fatima Consecration

    Like I said, it's a most intriguing argument, but the Dimonds couldn't have written it.  

    Their "Consecration is done already" theory came from a rabbinic think tank.


    Finally, from your sede perspective, help us understand the Dimond's orders and how they became "holy religious"?  :jester:
    Why couldn't they have written it, exactly? 


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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
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  • RIP, Fr. Cekada.  

    Most of this thread should be moved elsewhere!  Discussion of the Dimonds, idea that Pius XII consecrated Russia in 1952.

    I’m no Fatima scholar, but I have thought that “many nations will be annihilated” could refer to all the nations that vanished as a result and in the wake of WWII.  I also agree that Sr. Lucy almost certainly did not live to 2005. Age and a new set of dentures cannot entirely change the shape and bone structure of a person’s head and face!  

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
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  • Why couldn't they have written it, exactly?

    If you read the article, it’s an intricate, well built lie.  

    First, they
    change the definition or meanings of common words, such as “conversion”.

    Once you take the bait, they can change the whole context of the Fatima apparition and the premise of the Mother of God’s warning and requests.

    The conclusion of the article is that Trads shouldn’t concern themselves with Our Lady’s pleas.
    Fatima is a done deal already.

    I submit that the Dimonds don’t have the intellectual firepower to concoct a fairytale of that magnitude.

    And the tale it is so typical of the Jєωιѕн methodology to create heresies.   

    Some examples are Islam and even Hinduism.  Yes, that theological premise is found in the Kabbalah.

    St. Pope Pius V warned that the jew are the seed bag of all heresies.


    That Consecration of Russia lie was artfully developed by a team of rabbinic propagandists.

    I
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
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  • If you read the article, it’s an intricate, well built lie.  
    First, they
    change the definition or meanings of common words, such as “conversion”.

    I don't want to further derail this thread, but Incred, do you think they use this methodology in their BOD/BOB/EENS argumentation? Or anywhere else?
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    Re: Father Cekada Dying
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  • DR, You forgot discernment.

    Sede's are fueled by their intellectual pride.  


    But read closely the article I referenced and let me know if it's Catholic... in your estimation.  Dimonds Fatima Consecration

    Like I said, it's a most intriguing argument, but the Dimonds couldn't have written it.  

    Their "Consecration is done already" theory came from a rabbinic think tank.


    Finally, from your sede perspective, help us understand the Dimond's orders and how they became "holy religious"?  :jester:





    By Bro. Peter Dimond, O.S.B.
    -The question is: Can you handle the truth on this issue?
    -The truth that you won’t hear from “Fr.” Gruner; the stunning facts on an issue that we’ve all been brainwashed only to consider from one angle
    -An article that every traditional Catholic needs to read

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”Our Lady: “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”
    “…cuм placuerint Domino viae hominis inimicos quoque eius convertet ad pacem.”
    * If you have the capability, you will want to print this article in color, since there are color pictures.
    * Emphasis in this article (bolding, underlining and italicization) is not necessarily that of the quoted author and is usually my own.

    IN THIS ARTICLE:

    -FACT #1: POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY – POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED NOT THE WORLD, BUT SPECIFICALLY RUSSIA, ON JULY 7, 1952

    -FACT #2: WHAT OUR LADY MEANS BY THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA – THE STRIKING EVIDENCE
    -THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY CONSIDERING PORTUGAL – “THE SHOWCASE OF OUR LADY”
    -THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY SR. LUCY’S SUMMARY OF THE TUY VISION
    -“THE GOOD WILL BE MARTYRED” AND “VARIOUS NATIONS WILL BE ANNIHILATED” ARE PROPHECIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED
    -WHAT RUSSIA WAS CONVERTED FROM – SNAPSHOTS OF THE SATANIC REGIME IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
    -HE WILL DO THE CONSECRATION, BUT IT WILL BE “LATE”
    -OUR LADY’S WORDS REVEAL TO US THAT HER TRIUMPH IS NOT A UNIVERSAL TRIUMPH OR REIGN OF PEACE, BUT ONLY A “CERTAIN” PERIOD OF PEACE
    -THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA =…
    -THE EVIDENCE
    -SOME LEFTOVER OBJECTIONS – AND SR. LUCY DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IF PIUS XII’S 1942 CONSECRATION OF THE WORLD WAS ACCEPTED IN HEAVEN
    -PART II: THE EVIDENCE EXPOSING THE IMPOSTOR SR. LUCY
    -THE FALSE MESSAGE OF “FR.” NICHOLAS GRUNER
    One of the most frequent questions that we receive concerns Our Lady’s statement at Fatima on July 13, 1917:

    The Vatican II “Popes” must be true Popes, so the objection goes, because one of them will finally consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the entire nation will be converted to the Catholic Faith.  That hasn’t happened, so you cannot be right that they are Antipopes.
    First, in examining this issue it is important for people to clear their minds of any preconceived notions or prejudices in this area.  They must be prepared to take a fresh new look at the facts.  Let’s jump right into this very important issue:

    FACT #1: POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED RUSSIA TO THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY – POPE PIUS XII CONSECRATED NOT THE WORLD, BUT SPECIFICALLY RUSSIA, ON JULY 7, 1952

    Many know that Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1942.  Many do not know that Pope Pius XII specifically consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1952.

    I didn’t know this until I began studying this issue in some depth.  But this important fact is revealed even in the books promoted by “Fr.” Nicholas Gruner’s apostolate.
    This fact can also be found in the book Fatima in Twilight:
    Here are the words of Pope Pius XII:
    Thus, it is an undeniable fact that Pope Pius XII specifically consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    But didn’t Our Lady promise that Russia would be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world?  No!  This is a key point.  Our Lady requested that Russia be consecrated in union with all the bishops of the world, but on July 13 she only promised that “In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”  Notice that Our Lady didn’t promise: “The Holy Father and all the bishops will consecrate Russia to me…”  Further, heaven revealed that the actual fulfillment of the consecration of Russia would not be fully in accord with heaven’s original wishes; for instance, it would be “late” (more on this in a bit).


    FACT #2: OUR LADY NEVER SAID THAT THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA MEANS THAT RUSSIA WOULD BE CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH

    The question that we must re-examine is: did Our Lady ever say that Russia would be converted to “the Catholic Faith”?  Is there any evidence that Our Lady ever said that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith?  The answer, which will probably surprise many, is no.  I have just completed a careful study of Frere Michel’s 3-volume work The Whole Truth About Fatima (more than 2000 pages on the issue).  I was looking for some evidence, any evidence, that Our Lady ever said that the “conversion” of Russia means that the nation of Russia will be converted to the Catholic Faith.  In the entire 3-volume set, there is no evidence whatsoever that Our Lord or Our Lady ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.  [Please note: I’m not examining the question of whether heaven would want the conversion of Russia to the Catholic Faith, which of course it would, since outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.  Rather, I’m addressing the question of whether heaven ever said or promised that the nation of Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.  There is no evidence that heaven ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic Faith.]

    But of course it means that the entire country will be converted to the Catholic Faith,” as one person told us, “for it couldn’t mean anything else!”  This person even said that it is absurd to think that Our Lady would ever use the word “conversion” to mean anything but a conversion to the true Faith.  Oh really?  Well, this person may be surprised to learn that in Proverbs 16:7 we find a reference to “conversion” that does not mean conversion to the true faith, but the conversion of a persecuting enemy to peace (i.e. to a cessation of his persecuting ways).

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”
    In fact, notice the similarity between Our Lady’s words of July 13 and Proverbs 16:7: in the context of both, conversion is immediately linked with peace, after a man fulfills the request of the Lord.  

    Proverbs 16:7- “When the ways of man shall please the Lord, He will convert even his enemies to peace.”Our Lady: “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”

    After studying this issue in depth, and taking a fresh new look at the facts, I am of the firm opinion that Our Lady’s words correspond to what we read here in Proverbs 16:7: the “conversion” of Russia does not mean the conversion of the nation to the Catholic faith, but rather the conversion of a persecuting enemy (Russia) to a certain period of peace.  We will see exactly what this means as we proceed, and that the evidence from the message of Fatima supports this conclusion.

    THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY CONSIDERING PORTUGAL – “THE SHOWCASE OF OUR LADY”

    To attempt to substantiate their position that Russia has not been consecrated, “Fr.” Gruner and his supporters often bring up the case of Portugal as the “Showcase of Our Lady.”  They point out that when the Portuguese Bishops consecrated their nation to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on May 13, 1931, the result was an incredible Catholic renaissance and social reform.  They say that Our Lady used Portugal as a “showcase” of what she would do for Russia and the rest of the world.
    However, in bringing up the example of Portugal, they provide more evidence that Our Lady’s promise of the “conversion” of Russia did not mean the conversion of the entire nation to the Catholic Faith.  For they fail to note that even after the bishops consecrated the nation of Portugal (a nation that was already almost entirely Catholic in population) the country did not become a Catholic country!If Portugal itself (a nation that was already almost entirely Catholic) wasn’t even changed into a Catholic country after its consecration, this is further evidence that the conversion of Russia does not mean a conversion of the nation to the Catholic faith.  The 1959 Portuguese Constitution doesn’t even mention the name of God.  (WTAF, Vol. 3, p. 741)
    THIS POSITION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY SR. LUCY’S SUMMARY OF THE TUY VISION
    In order to attempt to substantiate their position that Russia will be converted to the Catholic faith, many cite the vision of Tuy, in which Our Lady promised to “save” Russia:What is HUGELY SIGNIFICANT is that Frere Michel admits that Sr. Lucy summarized this communication at Tuy in a slightly different manner in two letters to Fr. Goncalves:So, according to Sr. Lucy, the message at Tuy that Our Lord will “save” Russia means that the Lord promises to “end the persecution in Russia,” thus corroborating the point that there is no evidence that heaven ever promised that Russia would be converted to the Catholic faith.  We find the same thing in another vision that Our Lord granted to Sr. Lucy in 1940:
    The consecration of Russia will “obtain an abbreviation” of the tribulation that is caused by the persecutions of Russia, perfectly coinciding with our point about what Our Lady meant by the “conversion” of Russia.  Most importantly, however, we can see what Our Lady meant in context by the conversion of Russia in a careful consideration of her words on July 13.
    Notice, the consecration of Russia was specifically requested to prevent “war… hunger and persecution of the Church…”  This shows us that Our Lady’s words on the consecration of Russia were firmly set within this context – i.e. converting this enemy to peace from these persecutions of “war… hunger… of the Church.”

    This point is corroborated when one considers the “great sign” mentioned by Our Lady in the context of her request for the consecration of Russia.  Our Lady says: “When you shall see a night illuminated by an unknown light, know that it is a great sign that God gives you that He is going to punish the world for its crimes by means of war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this…”  This “sign” was not some “small sign,” but the “great sign” that heaven gave in the context of the consecration of Russia and the punishments the consecration of Russia would prevent.
    Well, everyone knows that this “great sign” was the unknown light that lit up the sky on Jan. 25, 1938, just prior to the events that precipitated World War II.
    I think that most people can agree that this sign doesn’t seem that significant to us from our vantage point today.  Yet, within the context of the consecration of Russia, and the “war… hunger… and persecution of the Church…” which it was requested to prevent, this was the “great sign” that heaven gave.  This shows us again how firmly within this specific context Our Lady’s words for the consecration of Russia were – converting this enemy to peace from its persecutions of war, persecutions of the Church, etc.
    “THE GOOD WILL BE MARTYRED” AND “VARIOUS NATIONS WILL BE ANNIHILATED” ARE PROPHECIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN FULFILLED
    In order to further understand what Our Lady meant by the “conversion” of Russia, it is important for us to understand what she meant by things she mentioned in the same context; for instance, “various nations will be annihilatedand “the good will be martyred.”  
    Many believe that Our Lady’s words “various nations will be annihilated” and “the good will be martyred” (as a result of the spread of Russia’s errors) still have not been fulfilled.  However, the truth is that both of these things have already been fulfilled.

    VARIOUS NATIONS WERE ANNIHILATED
    As we will see, even Frere Michel, an author whose work is promoted by Nicholas Gruner’s apostolate, admits that the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations and other small States during the period of World War II, which it simply annexed to itself making them exist no longer, constituted the annihilation of nations of which Our Lady spoke.

    Besides the nations of Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, etc. which entered the orbit of the Soviet Empire, and were reduced to puppets of its machine, the Baltic nations, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, were actually erased from the map – completely annihilated by full absorption into the Soviet Empire.
    An article carried on the website of the Joint Baltic American National Committee notes that:
    Notice, the absorption of the Baltic nations by the Soviet Union “annihilated” the political independence and territorial integrity of these nations (i.e., annihilated their nationhood itself)!  Another article on the website of the Joint Baltic American Committee notes that “…communism will be remembered not so much for what it left behind as for what it didn’t.  The decades of totalitarian rule annihilated cultures…” (http://store.yahoo.com/jbanc2000/newsun.html)
    Our Lady’s words about the annihilation of nations clearly refer to the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations, which literally erased them from the map by absorption.  But there are some who believe that Our Lady’s words refer to nuclear catastrophe that will happen in the future.  To attempt to prove this point, they will quote Sr. Lucy’s words to Fr. Fuentes.

    Sister Lucy to Fr. Fuentes, 1957: “Tell them, Father, that many times the Most Holy Virgin told my cousins Francisco and Jacinta, as well as myself, that many nations will disappear from the face of the earth.  She said that Russia will be the instrument of chastisement chosen by Heaven to punish the whole world if we do not beforehand obtain the conversion of that poor nation.”

    Sr. Lucy is obviously reiterating Our Lady’s words about the annihilation of nations.  However, if a nation were devastated by nuclear catastrophe, it wouldn’t disappear.  It would still be visible, but as an empty and devastated wasteland.  The only way to make a nation literally “disappear” is by erasing it from the map by incorporation into another country, as happened with the Soviet Union’s takeover of the Baltic nations.  In stunning confirmation of this point, here is what the Soviet Foreign Minister, Molotov, said to the Lithuanian Foreign Minister (concerning the Soviet Union’s imminent takeover of the Baltic nations):
    This map (above) of Eastern Europe before World War II defines the Baltic nations (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) before they were annihilated and made to disappear by full absorption into the satanic Soviet Empire

    This map of Eastern Europe and the Communist Bloc after WWII defines the disappearance and annihilation of the Baltic nations by full absorption into the Soviet Empire

    The annihilation of nations, the making of nations “disappear,” clearly refers to the Soviet Union and its takeover of the Baltic States.  Frere Michel even applies the “annihilation of nations” to the other nations that the Soviet Union incorporated into its orbit as satellites, such as Poland, etc.  However, it most specifically refers to the erasing of the Baltic nations, as well as other small provinces such as North Bukovina and Bessarabia.  And this surely would have happened to “many” other nations if Russia had not been consecrated.
    In every Communist nation controlled by the Soviet Union, the press, the radio and education were totally controlled by the State.  This became the sad and gloomy reality in country after country that fell to Communism.  All of these satellites also vigorously persecuted the Church.  For instance:
    And this led to the “good being martyred,” which has also been fulfilled:

    THE GOOD WERE MARTYRED
    It is simply a fact that countless Catholics were martyred at the hands of the Soviet Union and its Communist satellites.  Since this is well known, I will not give many quotes to prove the point.  But it is significant to note again that even Frere Michel, whose work on Fatima is promoted by “Fr.” Nicholas Gruner, admits that the “good will be martyred” has already occurred.
    A prime example comes from Russia in 1923.  At that time, Moscow attempted to blackmail the Vatican into granting its regime diplomatic recognition.  Moscow gave orders for the arrest of high-placed cleric Msgr. Cieplak (apostolic administrator of the diocese of Mohilev), his vicar general, Msgr. Budkiewicz, and thirteen other priests.  These clerics declared that they would not observe the 1922 law of the Soviet Union forbidding teaching the Catholic Faith to children (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 310).  Moscow agreed to their release if the Vatican agreed to diplomatic relations with its regime.  The Russian regime knew that once the Vatican established diplomatic relations with it, the rest of Europe would follow.   But the Vatican could not grant it such recognition, so Moscow executed the sentence:
    (As an aside, this priest could have been spared the horrors of the labor camps if he had simply consented to becoming an Eastern Schismatic.  He refused, and suffered horribly.  This shows us again the evil of false ecuмenism.  Post-Vatican II ecuмenism, which accepts and praises Eastern Orthodoxy, holds that his martyrdom was pointless.)
    Dead bodies of Lithuanians after the Soviet Union eliminated those it deemed threats to full takeover
    In 1936, the errors of Russian communism stirred up a revolution and the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr.  What resulted was arguably the worst persecution of the Catholic Church in history:
    Hugh Thomas, considered the premier historian of the Spanish cινιℓ ωαr, gives us some details on these martyrdoms:That the Spanish persecution was fueled and stirred up by the errors of Russia is beyond question; even some of the “attackers carried red banners with the hammer and sickle.” (Carroll, p. 288)

    One could multiply examples of the good being martyred for pages.  For instance, after the Soviet Union’s forced “reunification” of the schismatic “Church” with the Greek Catholic Church in 1945, there were countless Ukrainian Catholics who were martyred for their Faith:
    It is a fact that doesn’t need to be proven any further: the good were martyred in the Soviet Union, in its Communist satellites, and in other countries, such as Spain, where the errors of Russia stirred up bloody persecution.  Our Lady’s words that the good will be martyred, and various nations will be annihilated, have already been fulfilled.
    Some also ask: what about the persecution of the Holy Father, who will “have much to suffer”?  What is the meaning of this?  We find the answer in the aforementioned message of Our Lord to Sr. Lucy from 1940:
    The persecution of the Church during this period – the torture and martyrdom of priests and faithful, the suppression of ecclesiastical activity – weighed as an incredible burden and torment on the Pope who felt responsible, yet helpless, in the face of this tragedy.  With these facts in mind, we can see that all four aspects of Our Lady’s message, the spread of Russia’s errors, the martyrdom of the good, the annihilation of nations and the suffering of the Holy Father, had their application to this period.

    What people fail to realize is that Our Lady’s request for the consecration of Russia was given in this very same context.  The consecration and conversion of Russia was intended to prevent the punishments and torments and persecutions of Russia mentioned in this context.  In line with Proverbs 16:7, and Sr. Lucy’s summary of the Tuy vision, it means converting this enemy to peace from its ways of persecution.

    That is why Our Lady came to Tuy in 1929 to ask for the consecration of Russia.  In fact, Sr. Lucy didn’t mention a word about Russia until 1929.  1929 was a time when the horrors of Stalin’s Gulag started to become known in the world.  It was a time when the persecutions of Russia were about to reach their apex. 1929 was just prior to Stalin’s policy of “dekulakization,” a policy imposed from 1930-1934, which resulted in the death of millions of peasant farmers.  1929 was also just prior to Stalin’s unspeakable imposed famine of 1933, which resulted in the deaths of millions.  It makes sense that Our Lady would come back to ask for the consecration of Russia in order to prevent these horrible persecutions when they were at, or were about to reach, their most gruesome point.  The most serious demographers count at least fifteen million victims at the hands of Bolshevik Russia from the years 1929-1933 (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 457).

    At this point, it is very important for us to look at what those errors of Russia had become.  We need to get a closer look at the satanic regime of Communist Russia to get a better grasp on the context of the message of Our Lady.

    WHAT RUSSIA WAS CONVERTED FROM – SNAPSHOTS OF THE SATANIC REGIME IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA
    Vladimir Lenin, maker of the Communist revolution, mass-murderer, and leader of Communist Russia from 1917-1924
    In 1917, Lenin closed all Catholic churches in Petrograd (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 169)
    In 1918, Lenin shut down all newspapers in Moscow except those published by the Communists.  This was soon extended to all printed material, including periodicals, etc. (Warren H. Carroll, The Rise and Fall of the Communist Revolution, p. 116)
    A decree of February 26, 1922 confiscated all the treasures of the Church, including consecrated objects.  At the same time, and this was still the very early stage of the Bolshevik horrors, Cardinal Mercier published the first figures of the persecution: “Statistics for the victims of the persecution are frightening.  Since November 1917, 260,000 simple soldier prisoners and 54,000 officers; 18,000 landed proprietors; 35,000 ‘intellectuals’; 192,000 workers; 815,000 peasants; 28 bishops and 1,215 priests were put to death.” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 451)

    Things were so bad in Russia in 1922, that Pope Pius XI published the apostolic letter Annus Fere, ordering a general collection in favor of the starving Russian people.  In it, he spoke of the horrors suffered by the Russian people.  Though he didn’t denounce the satanic Communist regime in Russia by name, Pius XI spoke of “the extreme misery of the Russian people, who were decimated by disease and famine, victims of the greatest calamity in history…” (WTAF, Vol. 2, p. 565)

    Shortly after taking over Russia, in 1919 Lenin established the Gulag.  The Gulag was a network of cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs to which all “enemies” of the State could be sent.
    It’s important for us to get a glimpse of the horrors of the Gulag.  For this purpose, I will quote from Warren H. Carroll who, in turn, draws from Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s famed work, The Gulag Archipelago.
    Alexander Solzhenitsyn as Gulag labor camp prisoner scs 262
    Carroll then proceeds to describe the labor camp at Orotukan:
    man who froze to death at a Gulag labor camp
    Carroll also describes the Belomor Canal labor camps:
    Besides the countless people who were sent off to the labor camps and other regions from within Russia, the Soviet Union deported massive amounts of people from other countries which it occupied, in order to pave the way for the full takeover of these States.  People from Poland, the Baltic States, etc. were deported and dumped into regions where they had to fend for themselves, or they were sent to the labor camps.  This resulted in atrocious suffering and the deaths of countless Catholics:
    Joseph Stalin, arguably the greatest mass-murderer in history, leader of Communist Russia from 1924-1953
    From 1930-1934, Stalin instituted the policy of “dekulakization.”  Farmers that were opposed, or perceived as threats, to the Communist policy of collectivization of farms were dubbed “kulaks” and liquidated.  This unspeakable tragedy resulted in the deaths of 14.5 million:
    Here is the harrowing account of Miron Dolot.  Dolot witnessed the deportations of these “kulaks” from his hometown to the labor camps and other regions:
    In 1933, in order to starve millions in the Ukraine, Stalin imposed ridiculous grain quotas on the collective farms.  The grain quotas imposed by Moscow were impossible to meet.  But in an attempt to comply with Moscow’s demands, all the available grain in the Ukraine was shipped off.  The result was that millions were left without food, to starve and to die.  To cover for his crime, Stalin falsely accused the Ukrainians of hoarding grain.
    Children in the largely Catholic Ukraine, left to starve and to die in the famine
    At this point we can clearly see why, on July 13, 1917, Our Lady mentioned persecutions of “war, of hunger, and of persecution of the Church and of the Holy Father.  To prevent this I come to ask the consecration of Russia

    These facts should show us clearly the context in which Our Lady requested the consecration of Russia, and how the conversion of Russia means a conversion of this regime to peace from its persecutions of war, of hunger, of the Church, etc.

    HE WILL DO THE CONSECRATION, BUT IT WILL BE “LATE” – FITS POPE PIUS XII
    It is certain that Pope Pius XI failed to consecrate Russia to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.  Pope Pius XII also failed to do so for many years, but (as we saw) he finally did consecrate Russia in 1952.
    It’s clear that, as most commentators agree, Our Lord’s words “They” will repent and do it apply to the line of Popes – just as Popes in encyclicals refer to themselves as “We.” (“They” cannot refer to the Pope and all the Bishops, because all the Bishops did not delay the request and therefore do not need to repent of delaying it.)

    That Pope Pius XII was the one who did it, but “late,” makes perfect sense.
    First, Pope Pius XII consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1942.  Ten years later, however, he “repented and did it” by specifically consecrating Russia.

    Second, in 1939 Russia was still the only Communist nation on earth, but in the next decade the Soviet Union overtook Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania (1940), Bulgaria (1944), Poland (1945), Romania (1945) and Hungary (1946).  Perhaps these developments – in addition to a specific request – caused Pius XII to “repent and do it.”  Thus, Our Lord’s words that “Russia will have already spread its errors throughout the world provoking wars and persecutions against the Church” fit precisely with Pius XII; for what heaven had intended to prevent by the consecration of Russia – the spread of Communism, and the Soviet Union’s annihilation of nations and martyrdom of the good – had, to a large extent, already occurred when he did it.
    Third, there may be another signal that Pope Pius XII (though he certainly did it late) would be the one who would actually consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  This signal comes in the amazing coincidence that Pope Pius XII was consecrated a bishop the very day (and, according to Frere Michel, the very same hour) that Our Lady first appeared at Fatima.
    Fourth, a careful consideration of Our Lady’s words reveals that the actual fulfillment of the consecration of Russia would not be in perfect conformity with heaven’s original requests, which coincides with the fact that Pius XII did it, but “late” and not with all the bishops.
    OUR LADY’S WORDS REVEAL TO US THAT HER TRIUMPH IS NOT A UNIVERSAL TRIUMPH OR REIGN OF PEACE, BUT ONLY A “CERTAIN” PERIOD OF PEACE
    If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”In the end my Immaculate Heart will triumph.  The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and it will be converted and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world.”

    Please notice this extremely important point!  In the Secret of July 13, Our Lady first expresses a conditional promise.  “If they listen to my requests, Russia will be converted and there will be peace.”  If her requests are fulfilled precisely, she says that there will be “peace.”  But when speaking of what will actually happen “In the end,” she adds

    Incredulous,


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    But read closely the article I referenced and let me know if it's Catholic... in your estimation.  Dimonds Fatima Consecration

    Ok. But why should I in this context (whether the Dimonds are Jews). Let's grant it's not Catholic for sake of argument. The overwhelming majority in the class "non-Catholic" are also "non-Jєωιѕн." You do the math to figure out the consequence of that.


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    Their "Consecration is done already" theory came from a rabbinic think tank.

    Let's grant this one also -  for sake of argument!!!! Many who espouse ideas that "came from a rabbinic think tank" are non-Jews. Indeed, the ability of Jews to deceive non-Jews with arguments from rabbinic think thanks is the real problem . . . or the small number of Jews (or rabbinic think tanks) would not be problem.

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    Finally, from your sede perspective, help us understand the Dimond's orders and how they became "holy religious"?  

    I fail to see the relevance of that, unless somewhere in consideration of this issue is more "evidence" that the Dimonds are Jєωιѕн.

    I hope for your sake the answer to that is "no."



    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.