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Author Topic: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave  (Read 3469 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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For most of the Cardinals or bishops in the conciliar church I don't even think it's a matter of ideological/theological commitment or belief in Vatican II. It's the same mentality you would have found among the bureaucrats of communist countries during the cold war. There's a certain kind of person that adapts easily to whatever system is in place that enables them to advance within that system because they don't question the objectives of said system and are adept at pleasing those above them. You will find such brown nosers in a large department store or insurance company or government agency.
There are definitely some snakes that knew every step of the way where they wanted to take the Church. Joseph Bernadin was such a saboteur. Then there are others who like the status, having their ring kissed, being called your excellency, staying at fancy hotels for those countless conferences. They are not going to swim against the tide because they have spent a lifetime swimming with the current. They only serve their own ambition. I would probably
put Cupich in this category. He is cunning but doesn't seem very smart, not the kind of guy who reads Albert Pike in his spare time.

You're right that most of the "conservative" types (very few) just go along with V2 because that's the current thing.  Now, the Leftists are deeply committed, but mostly because they had the Traditional pre-V2 Church.





Strangely, Fr. Mawdsley has been on X saying that you can't abruptly roll back the New Mass.  I disagreed with him there.  It's not Catholic and cannot be tolerated.  He raised various practical concerns, and I said, [apart from having to conditionally ordain priests], how about letting some of the priests that could be rehabilitated offer the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular.  But then he said the priests might be "attached" to the New One.  Yeah, like they cared about that when they imposed the NOM, and if they're "attached" to it for theologian reasons (vs. just unfamiliarity with the Latin, etc.) ... then they need to go, since they don't have the right Catholic doctrine regarding the Holy Sacrifice.

In addition, EVERY SINGLE NOVUS ORDO "BISHOP" needs to get immediately deposed.  Yeah, yeah, some of them might go along with the new "Current Thing" (per the meme above) if a Traditional Pope would impose it ... but at that point they've disqualified themselves to be bishops for having gone along with the Modernist Conciliar Church.  EVERY ONE needs deposed, period.

What has to happen is that the new Pope would replace every bishop with the closest available Traditional priest, who would be consecrated a bishop.  Then they would be given instructions on how to manage readmitting any priests / bishops (returning as priests) from the NO that might be salvageable.  Any NO priests that are re-admitted would be trained very quickly on how to offer validly the Traditional Sacraments  but would return in "simplex" capacity, where they would not be allowed to give sermons, but would read sermons that are a combination of something issued by the Holy See and some extra added by the Traditional Bishop. ... while their re-education continued.  They would be given a crash course in moral theology to be able to absolve the faithful in Confession.

Yes, it'll obviously be very difficult, but there's no "slowly returning" from Vatican II ... since the NOM cannot be tolerated.

Offline Ladislaus

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Shouldn't pick Pope from the college of cardinals then. I have a really bad feeling about this conclave and an even bigger disaster befalling the Church. Please God this doesn't happen!! What's the chances of Archbishop Vigano getting elected?

Indeed, even Taylor Marshall identified 18 "Cardinals" who are quasi-conservative or might lean that way, but only 5 that even he considered true conservatives.  Of course, from our perspective, 3 of them were nonsense and were on the list just because they opposed the blessing of sodomite couples (and that does not suffice to make them true conservatives).

Really the only ones who MIGHT be conservative as in favoring Tridentine Mass, being against some of the V2 errors / directions, are Sarah and Burke.  That's IT.  Burke has no chance.

So the Trad, Inc. grifter types have all their hopes on Sarah ... but Marshall made it clear he'd pretty much accept anyone they rolled out (leading to suspicion that he's just a gatekeeper), and would even welcome a few of the quasi-conservatives like Erdo (friendly with Jews, anti-anti-Semitic, loves the New Mass etc.), or Pizzabolla (Ecuмenist, esp. toward Jews, no really comment about Mass, etc.), and one African guy (not Sarah, but name escapes me) who opposed blessing sodomites but has otherwise been fairly Modernist.

THIS IS THE BEST THE CONCILIAR CHURCH HAS.

So, absolutely, not a single one of these are fit to be a Catholic Pope, no, not even Sarah, because for all his "I like the Tridentine Mass" (personal preference for piety and not theological reasons) ... he's done nothing about it.

No current Conciliar bishop is fit to be Pope for the same reasons, not even a Schneider, since Schneider has done damage control for Bergoglio and IMO is controlled opposition, believing that slight corrections to V2 are all that's required.  Again, this is the best they've got.

Until something like the prophecy / vision of Anna Maria Taigi comes to pass, where Sts. Peter and Paul select the Holy Pope to end the crisis, there's no natural hope from the Conciliar Antichurch.  Now, Taigi said that they would pick the "Cardinal" that would be the pope, but that's likely just her interpretation of what she say, thinking that only Cardinals will become pope (which is normally the case) ... but I fully expect them to select someone else, undoubtedly a Traditional Catholic bishop or priest.

Of course, even there, very few Trad clergy understand the true theological roots of the crisis:  EENS and the resulting ecclesiology, and are actually on the wrong side of the issue, or else have a quasi-Old-Catholic R&R viewpoint or else an attitude of papolatry (exaggerated view of infallibility).  I fully expect the selection to come from someone who's currently not widely known to the world.





I finally got around to watching the movie Conclave and the first 2/3 of the film is a fairly good 
drama depicting the protocols involved with the death of a pope and the maneuvering and scheming
of the various camps within the college of cardinals. It's well acted and artfully photographed but
it's clear the filmmakers want the viewers to root for the progressive liberal played by Stanley Tucci, who
in one scene is emphatic that "we aren't going back to the Latin mass and we want women to play a larger role
in the church"
He opposes the xenophobic native Italian conservative cardinal and is shown to be more reasonable
and affable. 
I too had the feeling as Lad that this film could have been intended as predictive programming, especially in light of the plot twist toward the end of the film as a gender ambiguous cardinal emerges as the
frontrunner. He has the same soft spoken quality as Jorge as he half whispers nebulous Hallmark greeting theology.

I remember back in my novus ordo high school the priest who taught religion had our class watch The Shoes of The Fisherman, which was made back in 1968. That film somewhat foreshadowed JPII, as an unexpected Eastern European is catapulted into the throne of Peter. There was also a subplot about a brilliant priest who is unmistakably 
Teilhard de Chardin, who is depicted very sympathetically. 

Offline Ladislaus

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CONCLAVE MOVIE SPOILER ALERT (below)

Yeah, I know the conservative Conciliars are up in arms about the movie ... especially because of the ending, but I enjoyed it anway, and my response was that the movie is actually an accurate reflection of the current state of the Conciliar Church though not the Traditional Church.

Now, one thing I do object to is that there's the one "Traditionalist" Cardinal (an Italian), whom they say wants to return to pre-Vatican II, that most of them hate (though apparently he has some quiet support since he's getting a fair number of votes) ... but you'll notice that they portray him as an open racist (derogatory toward the Africans) and a nasty guy (slaps his one "servant" at one point).  That part I could do with out, creating such a caricature of the Traditionliast.

But the outcome of the movie ... well, it's nothing I'd put past the Conciliars to be honest, and Tagle kindof looks like the guy they roll out at the end (both in mannerisms and physical appearance).  I was not going to put a spoiler in, except your post above already does that, but the guy that reminds you of Jorge, to me it's Tagle (looks like him, has same mannerisms, very soft-spoken, rather effeminate, etc.)

There's also an African in the running (who's, for instance, portrayed as anti-sodomite so at least conservative that way) ... and they eliminate him from the running by exposing some dirt from when he was younger.

During the Conclave, various "Islamic" terror attacks are taking place, including some in the vicinity of the Conclave, as at one point the windows get smashed in due to a bomb outside, and there's some talk about fαℓѕє fℓαgs on the way ... so that would be interesting.

There was also one guy who was scheming and ambitious (White guy, not sure if European, American, or Australian) but somehow involved in (what appeared to be) financial corruption.

So, if they do roll out Tagle ... well, I'd recommend a genetic verification.

Oh, one inaccuracy apparently about the movie is that in pectore Cardinals cannot participate in the Conclave ... but IMO if Bergoglio had sent a note indicating otherwise, I'm sure they'd accept that.  They're already violating the rule that there can be no more than 120 voting Cardinals, just making up a principle that Jorge's appointments of more than that overruled that requirement (and I could see making a case for it, as otherwise you'd be excluding an arbitrary 15 or so).  I believe Jorge thought he'd be around just a bit longer, since I think that a fair number of Cardinals would have gone over 80 within the next few months (some in just days or weeks, i.e. Sarah).

But if they have some terror attacks during the Conclave and roll out Tagle ... the movie was predictive programming.

Aside from the movie, though ... if they do roll out Sarah (and Marshall is trying to lay out some kind of fantasy scenario in which that could happen ... to make it somewhat plausible?) ... it'll be a deliberate ruse to reabsorb SSPX and bring Trad, Inc. back into the fold, since they had been slouching Traditional under Bergoglio.

Shouldn't pick Pope from the college of cardinals then. I have a really bad feeling about this conclave and an even bigger disaster befalling the Church. Please God this doesn't happen!! What's the chances of Archbishop Vigano getting elected?

It would take St Peter and St Paul miraculously appearing before the conclave and ordering it.  

Even then, no doubt some would resist --- "what you thought you saw, you did not see".