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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2025, 11:30:54 AM »
If you look at the list of Cardinal Electors, you'll notice that there are exactly 15 of them who are over 79 (and will be 80 in less than a year), 15 being the EXACT number they're over the 120.  So Bergoglio was probably hoping they'd be gone in a year, but he didn't make it that long.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2025, 11:31:43 AM »
Quote from: SimpleMan on May 01, 2025, 11:26:40 AM
It would take St Peter and St Paul miraculously appearing before the conclave and ordering it. 

Even then, no doubt some would resist --- "what you thought you saw, you did not see".

Well, at that point, Sts. Peter and Paul could take care of business, causing the first guy who said that to drop dead and then saying ... "So, anyone else not seeing this?"
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Re: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2025, 11:32:49 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 01, 2025, 09:57:12 AM
Strangely, Fr. Mawdsley has been on X saying that you can't abruptly roll back the New Mass.  I disagreed with him there.  It's not Catholic and cannot be tolerated.  He raised various practical concerns, and I said, [apart from having to conditionally ordain priests], how about letting some of the priests that could be rehabilitated offer the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular.  

They'd pretty much have to allow the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular, at least as an interim measure.  Vernacular Tridentine Masses have historical precedent in China, Croatia (it may have been Church Slavonic), the Mohawk nation, and possibly others.  Mandating all Masses in Latin would so outrage many Catholics that they'd just leave for Protestant bodies and wouldn't come back.

It's a pastoral concession I could tolerate, in the name of meeting people where they are, as opposed to where they should be.
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Re: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2025, 11:36:22 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 01, 2025, 11:31:43 AM
Well, at that point, Sts. Peter and Paul could take care of business, causing the first guy who said that to drop dead and then saying ... "So, anyone else not seeing this?"

I'm reminded here of the scene from Pulp Fiction where Jules shoots the guy on the couch with the Flock of Seagulls haircut, and says to Brett, who is gasping, "I'm sorry, did I break your concentration?".

There is a broadcast-television version of PF that cuts out the rougher language and the more scabrous scenes, and the story doesn't suffer one bit.  I heartily recommend it.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Examination of the heresies of Bergoglio before the onset of the conclave
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2025, 11:37:07 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 01, 2025, 11:30:54 AM
If you look at the list of Cardinal Electors, you'll notice that there are exactly 15 of them who are over 79 (and will be 80 in less than a year), 15 being the EXACT number they're over the 120.  So Bergoglio was probably hoping they'd be gone in a year, but he didn't make it that long.



I see that Sierra turns 80 on May 16.  I wonder what happens if he turns 80 on May 16 and they haven't elected someone yet.  Would he then be kicked out?
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