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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
« on: February 08, 2024, 08:45:16 AM »
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    • Unfortunately despite the recent videos in which the dimonds were more charitable it seems they have doubled down on their magicians video (or at least the social media handler).

    https://twitter.com/DeoVolente019/status/1755574918404620602

    https://twitter.com/TRUTHACRUSADA/status/1755503050800730341

    Also from the guy in the first link, he said elsewhere that he is part of a new sedevacantist group. Website is below, I haven't read through all of it but I have this seen site before but the design and name has changed and much more articles have been added. It seems they are against invincible ignorance, baptism of blood and desire. This is nice, at least for me, as I have not seen any other groups than the Dimonds to be against these 3 things.

    https://cognitioecclesiae.weebly.com/
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2024, 09:15:34 AM »
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    • I went to that website, and instantly my screen was covered with a gigantic image of the masonic all-seeing eye in the pyramid, like on the back of the $1 bill.

    That appears to be their logo.

    The whole site gives me the creeps. Who are these people?
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2024, 09:41:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 08, 2024, 08:45:16 AM
    Also from the guy in the first link, he said elsewhere that he is part of a new sedevacantist group. Website is below, I haven't read through all of it but I have this seen site before but the design and name has changed and much more articles have been added. It seems they are against invincible ignorance, baptism of blood and desire. This is nice, at least for me, as I have not seen any other groups than the Dimonds to be against these 3 things.

    https://cognitioecclesiae.weebly.com/

    I hope I'm misunderstanding you, and I really, honestly HATE TO SAY this, but...

    You don't believe in invincible ignorance, Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire? Seriously? BoB and BoD are literally taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

    I know, "Feeneyism", which many hold to.
    BUT I thought that denial of BoB, BoD was a strawman distortion of what Fr. Feeney taught. One of the things I've learned on CI over the years...

    And you seem to be a few notches more favorable towards the Dimonds than you should be. And a bit too excited about this "All Seeing Eye" creepy group. Is it because of the aforementioned "novel" beliefs about BoB and BoD? You seem forced by your odd belief(s) to make common cause with some really shady groups. I'm going by your own words -- you seem desperate for some group(s) that agree with your "position". So you'll take what you can get.

    Here's my opinion on the Dimonds --
    In a better world, the Dimonds would be arrested by the State and/or the Church and all their "apostolate" websites/materials taken offline. They would be tried for heresy.

    The only good the Dimonds have to offer (like the lemonade in a 98% lemonade 2% cyanide cocktail) is their stuff on non-controversial subjects, like Evolution or Creation. We probably also agree on Abortion, sex education, and the general depravity of the Modern World. MAYBE a bit on what happened at Vatican II. But even that is a bit hazy.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2024, 10:07:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 08, 2024, 09:41:19 AM
    I hope I'm misunderstanding you, and I really, honestly HATE TO SAY this, but...

    You don't believe in invincible ignorance, Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire? Seriously? BoB and BoD are literally taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

    I know, "Feeneyism", which many hold to.
    BUT I thought that denial of BoB, BoD was a strawman distortion of what Fr. Feeney taught. One of the things I've learned on CI over the years...

    And you seem to be a few notches more favorable towards the Dimonds than you should be. And a bit too excited about this "All Seeing Eye" creepy group. Is it because of the aforementioned "novel" beliefs about BoB and BoD? You seem forced by your odd belief(s) to make common cause with some really shady groups. I'm going by your own words -- you seem desperate for some group(s) that agree with your "position". So you'll take what you can get.

    Here's my opinion on the Dimonds --
    In a better world, the Dimonds would be arrested by the State and/or the Church and all their "apostolate" websites/materials taken offline. They would be tried for heresy.

    The only good the Dimonds have to offer (like the lemonade in a 98% lemonade 2% cyanide cocktail) is their stuff on non-controversial subjects, like Evolution or Creation. We probably also agree on Abortion, sex education, and the general depravity of the Modern World. MAYBE a bit on what happened at Vatican II. But even that is a bit hazy.
    I'm pretty sure at least one of them has asperger's. 
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #4 on: February 08, 2024, 10:12:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on February 08, 2024, 10:07:52 AM
    I'm pretty sure at least one of them has asperger's.

    What does that have to do with any of this?
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2024, 10:13:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on February 08, 2024, 10:12:07 AM
    What does that have to do with any of this?
    It has a little to do with it. Relax.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #6 on: February 08, 2024, 10:16:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 08, 2024, 09:41:19 AM


    You don't believe in invincible ignorance, Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire? Seriously? BoB and BoD are literally taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

    I know, "Feeneyism", which many hold to.
    BUT I thought that denial of BoB, BoD was a strawman distortion of what Fr. Feeney taught. One of the things I've learned on CI over the years...


    There are many here who "don't believe in . . . Baptism of Desire," despite it being "literally taught in the Caterchism of the Council of Trent."

    Seriously. 

    Lad and Stubborn come most immediately to mind. 
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #7 on: February 08, 2024, 10:18:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Everlast22 on February 08, 2024, 10:13:43 AM
    It has a little to do with it. Relax.

    Asking a question is not generally indicative of a lack of being relaxed, and definitely is not in this instance.

    Apparently you should "relax."

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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #8 on: February 08, 2024, 10:30:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on February 08, 2024, 10:16:15 AM

    There are many here who "don't believe in . . . Baptism of Desire," despite it being "literally taught in the Caterchism of the Council of Trent."

    Seriously.

    Lad and Stubborn come most immediately to mind.

    It's not taught in the Catechism, but we've spent many pages debating it.  Catechism merely states that there isn't the same danger for adults as for infants (in terms of needing to be baptized ASAP in all cases) because their intention to receive Baptism would prevail over any obstacles that might get in the way (subjunctive mood), and the language is nearly identical to that of St. Fulgentius who completed the sentence in saying ... "because God would make sure they don't die before receiving the Sacrament" on account of said intention.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #9 on: February 08, 2024, 10:34:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on February 08, 2024, 09:41:19 AM
    Here's my opinion on the Dimonds --
    In a better world, the Dimonds would be arrested by the State and/or the Church and all their "apostolate" websites/materials taken offline. They would be tried for heresy.

    Well, it's the 95% of Trads who believe that non-Catholics can be saved that should be tried for (and convicted of) heresy, not the Dimonds.  Only a minority of theologians hold that BoD is de fide, and they do so mistakenly.

    Dimonds do great work against an onslaught of people, including the vast majority of Trads, who don't actually believe in the dogma that there's no salvation outside the Church.  If the Dimond Brothers are in error on this point (and I disagree with their calling all articulations of BoD heretical per se ... even as I disagree that it's de fide), their error is far less grave than that of these Trads who openly reject EENS, often publicly from the pulpit.

    Not to mention that these Trads have absolutely no clue about the actual root error of Vatican II, and that in holding that non-Catholics can be saved, they actually hold the same ecclesiology that's articulated by Vatican II.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #10 on: February 08, 2024, 10:38:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 08, 2024, 08:45:16 AM
    Unfortunately despite the recent videos in which the dimonds were more charitable it seems they have doubled down on their magicians video (or at least the social media handler).

    https://twitter.com/DeoVolente019/status/1755574918404620602
    Let's take the example of the guy floating in the air on the beach.

    Since you seem to believe that is not magic but some sort of trick you should be able to come up with a reasonable explanation of how he is flying.

    I'd venture to say that since this phenomenon exists for a long time and is well known you should be able to point to a demonstration on how it is done and how to repeat it.

    Of course, you can't, because floating in the air is impossible without supernatural assistance.

    Any number of supposed tricks from the video are likewise unexplainable naturally.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #11 on: February 08, 2024, 10:47:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnthonyPadua on February 08, 2024, 08:45:16 AM
    Unfortunately despite the recent videos in which the dimonds were more charitable it seems they have doubled down on their magicians video (or at least the social media handler).

    https://twitter.com/DeoVolente019/status/1755574918404620602

    https://twitter.com/TRUTHACRUSADA/status/1755503050800730341

    Also from the guy in the first link, he said elsewhere that he is part of a new sedevacantist group. Website is below, I haven't read through all of it but I have this seen site before but the design and name has changed and much more articles have been added. It seems they are against invincible ignorance, baptism of blood and desire. This is nice, at least for me, as I have not seen any other groups than the Dimonds to be against these 3 things.

    https://cognitioecclesiae.weebly.com/

    I would hardly call it a "group".  It's probably just one guy who put up a website.  Yet, the guy with the creepy All-Seeing-Eye logo (used by both Satanists and Masons) is attacking the Dimond Brothers for their show on the magicians (which are, IMO, very solid).  And then on his website he features two letters written by St. Athanasius to a Bishop Lucifer (who, though he seemed like an upstanding and orthodox Catholic bishop), why are they focusing on Lucifer when the same content from St. Athanasius could be found elsewhere.

    So, given the following:

    1) Satanic/Masonic logo
    2) Focus on a Bishop Lucifier
    3) attacking the Dimond Brothers for calling out the occult nature of modern magic

    I suspect that this is some kind of diabolical ruse and would stay FAR away from these clowns, and that he (or they) is nothing but a demonic clown.  Of all the things to attack the Dimond Brothers for, it's to defend and justify modern "magic" when about 1/3 of the video cites the guys themselves that they're cooperating with demons or other entities to perform their tricks, which are in fact inexplicable apart from total CGI camera tricks ... except that many/most of them were performed in front of live audiences.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #12 on: February 08, 2024, 10:51:45 AM »
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    I personally know a handful of converts that came to Traditionalism (from other faiths) due to the Diamonds.  All converts were men. 


    The Diamonds are a little nutty on some things, and I don't like their constant anathemas of heresy, but...in our overly feminized, wishy-washy, "maybe, sometimes" world, the Diamonds presentation of the Faith as "yes, yes and no, no" speaks to people, mostly men.  It works.  Can't argue with results.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 08, 2024, 10:58:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 08, 2024, 10:51:45 AM
    I personally know a handful of converts that came to Traditionalism (from other faiths) due to the Diamonds.  All converts were men. 


    The Diamonds are a little nutty on some things, and I don't like their constant anathemas of heresy, but...in our overly feminized, wishy-washy, "maybe, sometimes" world, the Diamonds presentation of the Faith as "yes, yes and no, no" speaks to people, mostly men.  It works.  Can't argue with results.

    Yes, and they've softened somewhat in recent times with the anathemas, but darn it if we don't need to hear it.  There's a prevailing tendency in modern times, even among Trads, that heresy is "no big deal," since everything depends on "sincerity".  Well, he probably "means well," so that's all that matters.  It's the same subjectivist nonsense that has led to most modern errors, as well as the phenomenology that Bishop Williamson has expertly taught about, where ideas don't matter, are subjective, and that sincerity and meaning well and being "nithe" (as Bishop Williamson mockingly pronounces it) are all that count.  Sometimes the Dimond Brothers do a service by calling a spade a spade and not performing some mealy-mouthed dance around it.

    One need only look at the writings of the Fathers and the Councils, with all the anathemas they've hurled, to understand how seriously heresy was taken by them.  Some of the language St. Jerome uses towards heretics would make anything we've seen posted by the Dimonds tame by comparison.  It's important not to slide into a bitter zeal, but that can't be at the cost of going soft on heresy, since it destroys souls.
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    Re: Dimonds double down on magicans - and new sedevacantist group?
    « Reply #14 on: February 08, 2024, 11:13:06 AM »
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    Sometimes the Dimond Brothers do a service by calling a spade a spade and not performing some mealy-mouthed dance around it.
    Yes.  It used to be that this is what attracted many to Catholicism -- principles and truth.  Yes or no.  Black or white.  V2's "springtime" threw away the harsh realities of the summer heat and the winter cold, and put flowers and lukewarm temperatures everywhere (to continue my horrible analogy).  People inherently hate wishy-washyness and that's why people no longer take catholicism seriously...because there's no lofty goals of sainthood to strive for, and there's no dread of eternal pains in hell to suffer anymore.  The Diamonds remind people that truths matter in a serious way and following this way has meaning.
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