Author Topic: Did Adult Catholics Really not Know? (Read 1773 times)

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2014, 07:15:32 PM »

boy! Marielar, we (songbird) are on the same page!! When Pope Leo X111 and St. Pius X spoke of the dangers of modernism, it truly was a bad thing. BUT I have to admit, I never heard it explained and I am 61. We lived in the Midwest. My mom spoke of St. Bernadette and such but after 9 children and I think being around protestant relatives did not help, but I really looked up to her as a young adult and things changed between us. Very sad!

songbird · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2014, 07:17:09 PM »

Marielar: Your mother lost nothing, for she never had it. She had her sights in other places. That is what is so sad. You can't bring back the old days and its beauty, if there never was in their minds to begin with.

Frances · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2014, 08:14:12 PM »

:dancing-banana:
The answer is no! Neither of my parents knew anything beyond rote memorisation and parroting back of the catechism. What the authority said was not to be questioned. To question was to disrespect and disobey. This was the mindset with all authority, especially the priests. My parents are 85 and 91. They still don't understand what has gone wrong with the Church and the entire world. They DO know it's a disaster but are too old to fight.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2014, 09:57:49 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

I would tend to believe that the average Joe Schmoe Catholic didn't really know the doctrinal issues. Heck, most still don't know.

However, I do think that for many they "knew" something was wrong when it came to the change in the liturgy. But being loyal, obedient Catholics they went along with it (well, most did).

I've spoken with quite a few elderly Catholics, many of whom are now traditional Catholics though many are not. This has been my anecdotal conclusion:

They say that the ones who rejected the changes were a minority--a tiny minority.

Another comparable minority, as 2Vermont said, knew something was wrong but still went along. These are the elderly in today's Conciliar parishes who remain in the Conciliar church but have no joy.

The vast majority of Catholics just did what they were told and, over time, changed their faith to accommodate the New Religion or they went to an entirely different religion. Some did so eagerly, others just sort of fell into it. (I've heard it said that if "ex-Catholic" was a separate religious demographic, it would be the largest demographic group in the United States.)

One lady I knew told me that when the New Mass was introduced, she refused to go after the first month and went to a local cemetery and prayed the rosary every Sunday for years before finding an independent traditional chapel. Her husband, teen children, her mother and father, her sisters and brothers, and all the rest of her relatives thought she was crazy! Her husband remained in the Conciliar church until he died. When she died a couple of years ago, she was the only person in her family still going to church.

songbird · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2014, 11:19:17 PM »

Changes were so slow and gradual. Schemes were used to keep the people in the new Order. One was to get them involved. Bring on the guitars, young people to read the readings and such. This brought on self-esteem. Then the twisting of meanings, like why a priest washes his hands; because dirty fruit and things were given for offertory and so the priest washed his hands. Why the altar was against a wall. To hold up the fruit and vegetables. and It just kept going. By 1971 veils were off the womens' heads. Because it was so gradual, there were no traditional masses, they were slow coming. So, we were stuck so to say. And of course, retreats and catechism was changing. We were at the mercy of God, unless someone told us different. I was age 20 in 1972 and no traditional, went overseas with Air Force husband and still nothing. Left there in 1983. By 1986 we saw traditional. By 1996 we joined. But, we would not have had that change, if it were not for other people telling me there was something else. And because I joined a group of women in search of who was the enemy bringing sex ed. to the schools, under the Governor, I would not have known the truth. New Order dioceses nation wide was the enemy and it was a shock, but I thank God for that Shock. The other women refused traditional and I was the only one. None of these women speak to me anymore. Oh, well! I thank God we found the Truth!