Author Topic: Did Abp. Thuc knowingly consecrate Jean Laborie? (Read 9449 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2014, 12:07:35 PM »

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I know there are 16 parts of this video series, but parts of it are really worth watching. I recommend listening to the parts where Fr. Jenkins is speaking throughout the series. He presents a lot of good information.

Such as, "The CMRIs are simply not Catholic."

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2014, 12:08:33 PM »

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I know there are 16 parts of this video series, but parts of it are really worth watching. I recommend listening to the parts where Fr. Jenkins is speaking throughout the series. He presents a lot of good information.

Such as, "The CMRIs are simply not Catholic."

He did present a lot of good information about how cults happen.

I would recommend listening to anyone other than Father Jenkins on this issue.

PG · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2014, 12:42:07 PM »

There still is to this day consensus among those who investigated Thuc/interviewed Dr. Hiller and Heller(Bp. Kelly, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Sanborn). Fr. Sanborn does not think highly of Thuc or of the CMRI. That tells you something.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2014, 12:47:02 PM »

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There still is to this day consensus among those who investigated Thuc/interviewed Dr. Hiller and Heller(Bp. Kelly, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Sanborn). Fr. Sanborn does not think highly of Thuc or of the CMRI. That tells you something.

The question is about validity. On that there is no question. Some people don't think highly of Father Sandborn, Bishop Kelly, Father Jenkins or the SSPV.

Ambrose · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2014, 12:49:00 PM »

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There still is to this day consensus among those who investigated Thuc/interviewed Dr. Hiller and Heller(Bp. Kelly, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Sanborn). Fr. Sanborn does not think highly of Thuc or of the CMRI. That tells you something.

The question is about validity. On that there is no question. Some people don't think highly of Father Sandborn, Bishop Kelly, Father Jenkins or the SSPV.

True, but I would change the word "Some" to "Most."

Elizabeth · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:30:07 PM »

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Quote from: + PG +
I know there are 16 parts of this video series, but parts of it are really worth watching. I recommend listening to the parts where Fr. Jenkins is speaking throughout the series. He presents a lot of good information.

Such as, "The CMRIs are simply not Catholic."

He did present a lot of good information about how cults happen.

I would recommend listening to anyone other than Father Jenkins on this issue.

Had to edit-because what I wrote could have been mis-understood as Jenkins offering info on CMRI as a cult.

More like calling the kettle black!

To be more clear, watching this video is forensic evidence of religious insanity. Notice how he goes on for 4 hours convincing people to hate Thuc.

See how compelling is the obsession to hate Thuc, as if he was the most evil person ever, worse than all Lodges put together.

Hour upon hour these sessions go on from SSPV. There used to be hours and hours of these talks on their cult radio archives.

If you listen to it long enough, you begin to believe it must be true.

At some point, people wake up and ask, "Why?"

It is not as if they are protecting souls from exploitation by unethical schismatic groups. They actively keep people OUT of their group. I know this by listening to them field calls in the office, and by people in the area who were interested but didn't pass the screening sessions.
:heretic:

Elizabeth · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:43:25 PM »

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There still is to this day consensus among those who investigated Thuc/interviewed Dr. Hiller and Heller(Bp. Kelly, Fr. Jenkins, Fr. Sanborn). Fr. Sanborn does not think highly of Thuc or of the CMRI. That tells you something.

This tells me they believe everyone else is as evil as they. Liars always think everybody else is lying.

It is no wonder their nuns had to pay 1/2 million dollars in damages for destroying another person's reputation recently.

They started their enterprise by attacking and suing Archbishop Lefebvre. It's what they do.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2014, 01:59:31 PM »

Quote from: Elizabeth

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Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: + PG +
I know there are 16 parts of this video series, but parts of it are really worth watching. I recommend listening to the parts where Fr. Jenkins is speaking throughout the series. He presents a lot of good information.

Such as, "The CMRIs are simply not Catholic."

He did present a lot of good information about how cults happen.

I would recommend listening to anyone other than Father Jenkins on this issue.

Had to edit-because what I wrote could have been mis-understood as Jenkins offering info on CMRI as a cult.

More like calling the kettle black!

To be more clear, watching this video is forensic evidence of religious insanity. Notice how he goes on for 4 hours convincing people to hate Thuc.

See how compelling is the obsession to hate Thuc, as if he was the most evil person ever, worse than all Lodges put together.

Hour upon hour these sessions go on from SSPV. There used to be hours and hours of these talks on their cult radio archives.

If you listen to it long enough, you begin to believe it must be true.

At some point, people wake up and ask, "Why?"

It is not as if they are protecting souls from exploitation by unethical schismatic groups. They actively keep people OUT of their group. I know this by listening to them field calls in the office, and by people in the area who were interested but didn't pass the screening sessions.
:heretic:

You know Elizabeth, it is absolutely insane. Beyond any fathomable comprehension unless you experience it. You know this. I have experienced it. It is very sad. Many of us are grandly inconsistent to a maddening degree. The SSPV clergy are knowledgeable. They have been through the fire. Many appear to be holy and some might be. They seem to be tireless workers.

But. . .

And the "but" is so large and so seemingly damnable. What is the deal man? They protest too much. Who are they trying to convince? Themselves?

Why have they not even made an attempt to refute Mario.

Because they can't.

Because they are wrong, and blatantly so.

It is absolutely insanely silly and quite damnable. One of those things we would never believe were it not true.

If people want to hear truth why not go here:

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/index_files/CMRI_Archives.htm

The Proto Evangelium And The Church Of Our Time_Part I (75 Minutes)
The Proto Evangelium And The Church Of Our Time_Part II (77 Minutes)

He mentions and puts into perspective quite eloquently the madness of some, in this instance he talks about home-aloners who insist on proof, pictures, witnesses etc. in regards to the Thuc Consecrations and when all that is provided they insist on more. It is laughable, sad and evil for those who should know better at the same time.

Stay the heck away from Jenkins when it come the Thuc consecrations as he has an INCREDIBLE bias which is not based on reality. He is going to have to answer for his actions. And keep potential converts away from Father Jenkins as well. It appears that soul-saving is not his first priority, a rather sad comment in regards to a Priest.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2014, 02:01:01 PM »

You know Elizabeth, it is absolutely insane. Beyond any fathomable comprehension unless you experience it. You know this. I have experienced it. It is very sad. Many of us are grandly inconsistent to a maddening degree. The SSPV clergy are knowledgeable. They have been through the fire. Many appear to be holy and some might be. They seem to be tireless workers.

But. . .

And the "but" is so large and so seemingly damnable. What is the deal man? They protest too much. Who are they trying to convince? Themselves?

Why have they not even made an attempt to refute Mario.

Because they can't.

Because they are wrong, and blatantly so.

It is absolutely insanely silly and quite damnable. One of those things we would never believe were it not true.

If people want to hear truth why not go here:

http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/index_files/CMRI_Archives.htm

The Proto Evangelium And The Church Of Our Time_Part I (75 Minutes)
The Proto Evangelium And The Church Of Our Time_Part II (77 Minutes)

He mentions and puts into perspective quite eloquently the madness of some, in this instance he talks about home-aloners who insist on proof, pictures, witnesses etc. in regards to the Thuc Consecrations and when all that is provided they insist on more. It is laughable, sad and evil for those who should know better at the same time.

Stay the heck away from Jenkins when it come the Thuc consecrations as he has an INCREDIBLE bias which is not based on reality. He is going to have to answer for his actions. And keep potential converts away from Father Jenkins as well. It appears that soul-saving is not his first priority, a rather sad comment in regards to a Priest.

PG · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2014, 04:41:23 PM »

What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

PG · « **Reply #25 on:** July 30, 2014, 04:51:27 PM »

Elizabeth - you are deceitful. The cmri brought their founder to court and sued him. That was only after they were compromised for following a psuedo pope sɛҳuąƖly abusive druggy cult leader. Watch the what catholics believe episode on apb. Lefebvre. In it they say nothing but good things about his character.

insidebaseball · « **Reply #26 on:** July 30, 2014, 05:26:25 PM »

Who needs a pope when you can condem fellow catholics and offer no solution to "their problem" that you have created in your own mind. Trads are tired of beating a dead horse

Elizabeth · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2014, 06:02:58 PM »

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Elizabeth - you are deceitful. The cmri brought their founder to court and sued him. That was only after they were compromised for following a psuedo pope sɛҳuąƖly abusive druggy cult leader. Watch the what catholics believe episode on apb. Lefebvre. In it they say nothing but good things about his character.

Prove my deceit, PG. (but you can't) More accurately, I know first hand quite a bit more than I have written about the sspv. Are you 100% morally certain that there are SSPV clergy who have no criminal traits/habits?

Nobody denies how horrible the Schuckhardt years were. Schuckhardt was not answerable to anyone. Well guess what, neither is Jenkins; Bishop Santay told me so personally.

They reformed. Jenkins says that is insufficient. He states they are not Catholics. Anybody who has "tainted" himself with Thuc line Sacraments may not receive Communion. In fact people whom they dislike are denied Communion.

Spends years weaving this guilt by association myth. All of those Baptised lay Catholics are not really Catholic because they are tainted by Schuckhardt.

People like you and I believe[d] this rubbish, because we love our priests, because we want to be Catholic in a world falling apart at the seams, because we have been burned by the apostasy and corruption in the N.O. It might never occur to us that priests who are so careful in offering Masses admired for their decorum might not be at all so careful in other important areas of Catholic life.

SSPV offers the "purest" sacraments in the whole wide world. In fact, they have invented a sacrament shortage, and only those in their personal opinion who are worthy are allowed to have them. This is not to say that some slip over to Thuc line clergy, but they have special privileges.

Yes, Jenkins has good things to say about Abp. Lefebvre, but he was part of the group who stole very valuable property from the Archbishop, and sued him. Wouldn't actions be speaking louder than words in this case? Did they bother to tell you that it is unlawful for priests to sue their superiors?

Luker · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2014, 06:07:44 PM »

Over the past 6 months or so, I have been listening to many of the sermons/conferences posted on the TraditionalCatholicSermons website, they are a great resource and I can most days listen to them at work. I have since then accuмulated several hundred hours of the sermons and Fatima conferences of the CMRI (plus many others). I have found the homilies of the CMRI priests to be consistently excellent. Very solid Catholic sermons done always in charity. They also explain their position on the crisis very consistently and clearly. They strike me as very good, intelligent and well trained priests. Also bishop Pivarunas' talks at the Fatima conferences are always excellent as well. I am hoping to attend this years Fatima conference in Spokane and meet some of the clergy and laity of the CMRI in person.

Even though I attend a SSPX chapel, I like the CMRI. I would never hesitate to go to them for the sacraments and Catholic preaching.

Luke

Elizabeth · « **Reply #29 on:** July 30, 2014, 06:16:26 PM »

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What is insane is how the sedevacantsists white wash Abp. Thuc. Fr. Cekada to this day is still conjuring up new reasons for dismissing any charges(appreciating "Thuc's egalitarianism"). New comers to tradition need to be aware of this.

Newcomers, old-timers alike, need to know what a dangerous situation they have chosen if they think the SSPV cult is safer than their current chapel or parish.

I hope I may be forgiven for observing that you seem to also believe that a crusade against Archbishop Thuc is necessary in order to be a Catholic properly disposed to receive Holy Communion.