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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Dating outside the resistance
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 11:22:14 AM »
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  • The thread is about dating.
    Not those already married.

    However apostasy/heresy is grounds for separation.

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • I believe the difference between sedevacantist and R & R, or even indult should be less burden in marriage, than with Novus ordo, even conservative not liberal NO wife or husband.

    I'm in that situation, when I converted to true, trafitinal catholic faith, so many things I needed to "recalibrate". And that brought many tensions with my wife, we both say we do have a different religion and that is true, fr. Scott was right. My mother also, she doesn't believe that ex cathedra pronoucements are infallible, that Holy Ghost is speaking through him like He spoke through apostles. And many other stuff, even when I showed contradictions from Vatican website between some encyclicals, or Council of Trent and Vatican II council.

    It's a hard cross to carry, and very likely could lead to divorce if both wife and husband cling to their faith with resolution and conviction. Also when raising and educating children, there are differences, from sacraments to other daily things....

    If I knew this would happen to me, I would rather be alone or marry a trad wife. But I can't now abandon my cross and vow we made before God and people. We have a 2 year old daughter, she is very sweet, intelligent, she needs both parents. I'm stopping to be preachy, apologetic, that didn't work. I need to be more humble, praying more, making real penance and sacrifices for their conversion. My work is nothing without divine grace.
    How long have you been married? Do you get along well apart from the religious issues? Would it be possible to compromise, one week attend NO mass and the other go to  a Latin Mass. Meet her where she’s at. Are you both still attending Mass together?


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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • I believe the difference between sedevacantist and R & R, or even indult should be less burden in marriage, than with Novus ordo, even conservative not liberal NO wife or husband.

    I'm in that situation, when I converted to true, trafitinal catholic faith, so many things I needed to "recalibrate". And that brought many tensions with my wife, we both say we do have a different religion and that is true, fr. Scott was right. My mother also, she doesn't believe that ex cathedra pronoucements are infallible, that Holy Ghost is speaking through him like He spoke through apostles. And many other stuff, even when I showed contradictions from Vatican website between some encyclicals, or Council of Trent and Vatican II council.

    It's a hard cross to carry, and very likely could lead to divorce if both wife and husband cling to their faith with resolution and conviction. Also when raising and educating children, there are differences, from sacraments to other daily things....

    If I knew this would happen to me, I would rather be alone or marry a trad wife. But I can't now abandon my cross and vow we made before God and people. We have a 2 year old daughter, she is very sweet, intelligent, she needs both parents. I'm stopping to be preachy, apologetic, that didn't work. I need to be more humble, praying more, making real penance and sacrifices for their conversion. My work is nothing without divine grace.
    Also does your wife hold Catholic beliefs about contraception, abortion, marriage, education of children? If she does have the basic traditional Catholic beliefs but attends the NO you can accommodate that. One possibility is to find a Latin Mass in your diocese… if possible and both attend that. Ask her what it is about the Latin Mass that puts her off… it may simply be that her friends and community are in the NO parish..??

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • Stay out of the dioceses.  Dioceses are new order. FSSP is new order.  Best to go to the home of the person you seek.  See how things are there.

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • I believe that the reason for the scarcity of decent careers and marriage candidates is that God is willing more people enter religious life.  Especially young men. 
    You could be right, but again, which religious societies do you have in mind? No matter how wide or narrowly you define “Resistance,” there are very few from which to choose!  Excluding those who are fully attached to Rome, ie, Indult, FSSP, ICK, etc. Who is left? In the US, you have SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, MHT/RCI, SGG? Then there are Frs. Hewko, (Bp.?) Pfeiffer, the Dimond bros,  “pope” Michael’s brother, don’t know his name!, Does anyone know of others that are reasonably stable, like have a structured course of study, a bishop, a rule of life that’s followed? 
    Outside the US I only know of a few, like SAJM in Avrille, -need to be fluent in French, Is Bp. Zendejas connected to it?, There are independent priests here and there, Fr. Ringrose and Fr. Libietis, Fr. Isaac Relyea, (not sure of his ordination status), Fr. Dardis, Fr. Voigt, latter two may not be in public due to health and other issues, but do not have any type of religious institution. In Canada, there’s Fr. Girouard whom I believe is independent, He does speak English but preferred language is French. In Mexico, Fr. Ruiz who works with Fr. Hewko. I do not believe he has seminarians or potential religious. If he does, one must be fluent in Spanish. There is Bp. Tomas Aquino in Brazil or S. America. These are monks, Spanish speaking, Fr. Chazal’s “micro seminary” in the Philippines. There’s a Fr. McDonald in either EnglandIreland or Australia/New Zealand, no idea if he has religious, also there are some traditional priests in Nigeria about whom I know nothing other than they are up against early Church style persecution as in getting beheaded, burned alive, shot, tortured. There is some kind of resistance in Poland. They have a bishop and were visited by Bp. Williamson, RIP. Again, if there’s a place for vowed religious, I don’t know. I do know from Bp. W. you’d have to be fluent in Polish to assist there. If I left out any stable institutes, please list them. 

    This is just my opinion on the matter, but at present, there are very few places for single, Traditional Catholic men and women not pursue a religious vocation. Add the word “Resistance” to the description, it’s limited more, perhaps even more limited than finding a suitable spouse.  Paucity of o both spouses and religious vocations may indicate God wills more people remain single in the world. Properly speaking, such status has never been a “vocation” or a “state of life” recognized by the Church. Those who who find themselves in such a position have been viewed by the Church and her members, as unfortunates, deprived by others, self, or life circuмstances to the sidelines. They’ve been made to feel like the Little League child left on the bench, game after game. For reasons known or, worse, unknown, whom the coach never calls to bat or to play any position, not even to be a bat boy. There he sits year after year until he ages out of eligibility. He gets no explanation from his coaches and after awhile, goes unnoticed or is the subject of rude jokes and cruel comments of his teammates. When he reaches the maximum age, he quits coming and few, if any notice his absence. The few who do notice do not inquire after him. He correctly concludes nobody known to him cares. He’s quickly forgotten as if he never existed. 
    Life goes on in much the same way. He graduates high school with a 2.8 GPA. Works at various jobs, retires, moves in with his mother, cares for her until her death, lives another 14 years and is found dead by police after a call from neighbors who noticed his overflowing mailbox. He never married, left no kin, but a will was found. Everything was left to a law firm. According to instructions, sale of the house covered a Christian burial, the furnishings paid the lawyer, sale of his mother’s jewelry went to a small number of worthy charities, and his remaining assets for a dozen boys to play Little League. 
    When his soul appea


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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • Yes there are few to choose from.
    But thats the crises of the Church we live in.
    Those who persevere to the end will be saved.

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • Outside the US I only know of a few, like SAJM in Avrille, -need to be fluent in French, Is Bp. Zendejas connected to it?, 
    Yes, Bishop Zendejas is a member of the SAJM, here are the current members SAJM: LES MEMBRES DE LA SAJM ACTUELLEMENT

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • You could be right, but again, which religious societies do you have in mind? No matter how wide or narrowly you define “Resistance,” there are very few from which to choose!  Excluding those who are fully attached to Rome, ie, Indult, FSSP, ICK, etc. Who is left? In the US, you have SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, MHT/RCI, SGG? Then there are Frs. Hewko, (Bp.?) Pfeiffer, the Dimond bros,  “pope” Michael’s brother, don’t know his name!, Does anyone know of others that are reasonably stable, like have a structured course of study, a bishop, a rule of life that’s followed?
    Outside the US I only know of a few, like SAJM in Avrille, -need to be fluent in French, Is Bp. Zendejas connected to it?, There are independent priests here and there, Fr. Ringrose and Fr. Libietis, Fr. Isaac Relyea, (not sure of his ordination status), Fr. Dardis, Fr. Voigt, latter two may not be in public due to health and other issues, but do not have any type of religious institution. In Canada, there’s Fr. Girouard whom I believe is independent, He does speak English but preferred language is French. In Mexico, Fr. Ruiz who works with Fr. Hewko. I do not believe he has seminarians or potential religious. If he does, one must be fluent in Spanish. There is Bp. Tomas Aquino in Brazil or S. America. These are monks, Spanish speaking, Fr. Chazal’s “micro seminary” in the Philippines. There’s a Fr. McDonald in either EnglandIreland or Australia/New Zealand, no idea if he has religious, also there are some traditional priests in Nigeria about whom I know nothing other than they are up against early Church style persecution as in getting beheaded, burned alive, shot, tortured. There is some kind of resistance in Poland. Paucity of o both spouses and religious vocations may indicate God wills more people remain single in the world. Properly speaking, such status has never been a “vocation” or a “state of life” recognized by the Church. Those who who find themselves in such a position have been viewed by the Church and her members, as unfortunates, deprived by others, self, or life circuмstances to the sidelines. They’ve been made to feel like the Little League child left on the bench, game after game. For reasons known or, worse, unknown, whom the coach never calls to bat or to play any position, not even to be a bat boy. There he sits year after year until he ages out of eligibility. He gets no explanation from his coaches and after awhile, goes unnoticed or is the subject of rude jokes and cruel comments of his teammates. When he reaches the maximum age, he quits coming and few, if any notice his absence. The few who do notice do not inquire after him. He correctly concludes nobody known to him cares. He’s quickly forgotten as if he never existed.
    Life goes on in much the same way. He graduates high school with a 2.8 GPA. Works at various jobs, retires, moves in with his mother, cares for her until her death, lives another 14 years and is found dead by police after a call from neighbors who noticed his overflowing mailbox. He never married, left no kin, but a will was found. Everything was left to a law firm. According to instructions, sale of the house covered a Christian burial, the furnishings paid the lawyer, sale of his mother’s jewelry went to a small number of worthy charities, and his remaining assets for a dozen boys to play Little League.

    Seraphina, you are not forgotten and in Heaven, it just may be that your crown of glory has a few more jewels in it than we married folks will have.
    Jesus, meek and humble of heart, make my heart like unto Thine.


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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • How long have you been married? Do you get along well apart from the religious issues? Would it be possible to compromise, one week attend NO mass and the other go to  a Latin Mass. Meet her where she’s at. Are you both still attending Mass together?
    She doesn't attend mass, she holds a grudge against local priest, I understand that, long story. But it's mostly laziness, like 90 % of Novus ordites she doesn't think it's so important. Her mother is old and sick but she watch livestream NO mass, but I never heard her talking about it to her daughter. She knows how stubborn she is, I know it very well. Of course we have some of the important things in common, not just our small daughter. But when I started to live like a traditional Catholic, differences have been multiplied in small and great things, attitudes, viewpoints. 

    There were situations were we both thought that divorce is the only solution, even recently this year. But her heretical and erroneus religion or philosophical stances are not a reason to obtain annulment. I was not a traditional catholic when we got married, 10 years ago but a conservative Novus Ordo, attending mass on Sundays, etc.. And that point in time is crucial, I asked 2-3 traditional priests and also educated members of this forum. They all confirmed that our marriage is valid sacrament. Maybe only dogmatic sedevacantists can say that all Novus ordo sacraments are invalid, including sacrament of matrimony. 

    I don't want that anyway, she is trying to respect what I do, believe but if only refrain from trying to impose that on her, in some things even on our daughter. We will have problems later on, but maybe great chastisements will happen before that time comes. I'm hoping it to come sooner rather than later, fire from the sky, 3 days of darknerss, comet and great floods, nuclear war whatever is necessary to clean this godless, abominable mankind.

    I'm sorry if I digress too broadly. I think still that if I knew my future 10 years before, even 5 years before, I wouldn't marry her or stayed in this marriage. And she says that too to me, we both lnow that. Maybe she would left me before I left her...It is logical conclusion...

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    Re: Dating outside the resistance
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  • Seraphina, you are not forgotten and in Heaven, it just may be that your crown of glory has a few more jewels in it than we married folks will have.
    The second half of my post disappeared!  Maybe it timed out? The story ends with the old man  being directly to Heaven because of his faithfulness in religious as well as earthly matters. 
    I’ve at times struggled with being single in the world, but not as much as I did when in my 30’s. At church, the women my age were all married, most with children. Making friends among them went no farther than coffee and donuts after Mass and an occasional babysitting job so Mom and Dad could have a date night! That’s fine, but otherwise, the women were suspicious that I might be after their husbands, or maybe, they were having trouble in their marriage and didn’t trust their husbands not to get too friendly with me. The other single women were high school and early college kids. Then there were a couple of widows with their adult kids and grandkids, much older than me. There was one widower in his 80’s who’d sometimes come to Mass in a wheelchair pushed by his nurse’s assistant. He had dementia. The only single men were school kids who lived with their parents, NOT marriage material.

    I was offered a teaching job once, but the pay was $35 per week while I boarded around with different families. No benefits like medical or pension. I’d be on my own for long holidays, summers, Christmas and Easter breaks. My permanent address was that of my parents who were expected to provide me with a car, associated costs, medical insurance, clothing and personal item stipend, plane tickets at Christmas and Easter, etc. Let’s just say it was unsuitable for woman who’d been on her own since age 18!  Maybe at ages 18-21, it’d be fine for a young lady who’d never been out of the family nest, someone whose life had been relatively sheltered. That wasn’t me, not even at 18. At 16 I still lived at home, went to school, worked nearly full-time, bought a car and paid for it. I helped with home expenses and did my share of chores. Except for one semester’s tuition, a graduation gift, I worked my way  through college and grad school. Seriously, which young family wants a 30-60 something year old woman accustomed to her independence living in their house long term? In one home, the teacher slept on the living room couch!  Since $35 week couldn’t pay for my car expenses, I’d have to be working an extra job or two, probably at night. Talk about disturbing the family! Coming in at 1:30 AM, setting up the bed and couch, showering in the middle of the night, cooking or preparing food at odd hours, and if I needed to catch a nap between teaching and my night job, where? Require an hour of silence in a house with four children under age 10?
    I’d soon become the guest from H-E-double hockey sticks!
    So I kept my job at a “nondenominational” International Christian Academy despite the occasional condemnations and one “excommunication” from a couple who kept their child back from grade 2 catechism the two weeks I filled in for the regular teacher. To the best of my knowledge, no child became novus ordo or Protestant! I was never tempted to leave the Faith or forced to teach or practice heresy or apostatize, either. In fact, quite the opposite! 

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  • Quote from: Justinian 2025-10-28, 11:06:22 AM
    How long have you been married? Do you get along well apart from the religious issues? Would it be possible to compromise, one week attend NO mass and the other go to  a Latin Mass. Meet her where she’s at. Are you both still attending Mass together?
    Faith is not something that can be compromised week by week. The Novus Ordo liturgy is not simply a different style of worship; it expresses a theology that departs from the Catholic Faith handed down from the Apostles. To suggest alternating between the true Mass and the modern rite is to place truth and error on equal footing and to expose souls, especially within a marriage, to confusion and spiritual harm.

    Authentic unity in marriage is built on the same Faith, not on alternating between conflicting religions. Real charity means praying, sacrificing, and patiently leading a spouse toward the fullness of Catholic Tradition, not participating in a service that endangers the faith of both husband and wife.