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This is why lay-controllers seem so prominent now — people who joined the "revolutionary coalition" for other reasons became disaffected (or just plain came to their senses) and left.

Maybe it's not the best to compare some dude in Ohio with Obama-it may fuel the delusions of grandeur.

I wouldn't worry too much about any of us "fueling" Toth's delusions of grandeur, Elizabeth. From his writing, it sounds like he's been fueling those himself, for a long, long time!
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They would gripe about Bp. Dolan drinking wine, things like this.

Except Eamon himself has a drinking problem, so he has little room to speak!

I will concede that Fr. Cekada's stance on the Schiavo case is troubling, no doubt, and that is just stating it nicely. Does anyone know what Bishop Dolan's stance on the issue was, or did he even say? He doesn't seem like the sort of priest who would defend such an act.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe anybody ever said Bp. Dolan had a drinking problem. The reference was probably to related to expensive wines, which in and of themselves are not a problem at all except in appearances possibly.

This is why I say some here never cease to comment even when they haven't sufficient grasp of the facts.

Raoul said that Eamon and the anti-SGG crowd said Bishop Dolan drank, I was only responding to his comment.

Did he really say that? Or did you just assume that's what he meant?

Raoul said that's what Eamon said, not me. I'm not assuming anything.

It was Jim Gebel who was upset about the Schiavo affair 7 years ago.  

The Schiavo case was only used later to add to the weak arguments.  She died in 2005.

You attempt to pin the "09 revolution" mostly on the Schiavo thing a few years before , but really what drove people nuts was the gutter accusation from the Ode of July 09. That was the real killer....Where just a few days before all the people were singing Hosannas as Christ came into Jerusalem on a donkey, the switch that flipped the peoples' allegiance was presenting Christ as a fool and criminal, all bloodied, beaten, bound, looking suddenly helpless and powerless. The authorities played on the feelings - that the people were deceived...and they cried for His death. The gutter accusation against Bp. Dolan and Fr. Cekada had the similar effect on the people...and they went nuts! And because it was a baseless suspicion, they kept that more quiet while they tried to gather other public things together to give the revolution a semblance of having a proportionate cause. It didn't; they couldn't.

Schiavo was huge and far-reaching as Fr. Cekada published his comments twice in The Remnant or CFN, I believe.

As far as your analogy goes, it is offensive.

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You attempt to pin the "09 revolution" mostly on the Schiavo thing a few years before , but really what drove people nuts was the gutter accusation from the Ode of July 09. That was the real killer....Where just a few days before all the people were singing Hosannas as Christ came into Jerusalem on a donkey, the switch that flipped the peoples' allegiance was presenting Christ as a fool and criminal, all bloodied, beaten, bound, looking suddenly helpless and powerless. The authorities played on the feelings - that the people were deceived...and they cried for His death. The gutter accusation against Bp. Dolan and Fr. Cekada had the similar effect on the people...and they went nuts! And because it was a baseless suspicion, they kept that more quiet while they tried to gather other public things together to give the revolution a semblance of having a proportionate cause. It didn't; they couldn't.

Schiavo was huge and far-reaching as Fr. Cekada published his comments twice in The Remnant or CFN, I believe.

As far as your analogy goes, it is offensive.

Elizabeth and Cupertino,

You have committed yet ANOTHER violation of the "SJB Rules of Evidence"!

On the first Cloaks and Daggers thread, remember, SJB rebuked us for daring to offer evidence, observations or opinions about St. Clare's because HE was in Columbus and we weren't, HE had first-hand knowledge and we didn't, etc. etc.

But now in this thread, even though he wasn't IN Cincinnati at the time or even a MEMBER of SGG, SJB himself is free to offer evidence, observations or opinions about everything that went on at St. Gertrude's in 09, or at any point at all in its history — and to call Cupertino's analogy "offensive." ("Sputter, sputter ... the NERVE of Cupertino objecting to someone sliming a priest!!!")

One standard for SJB, and another for the rest of us, I guess. We'll have to offer it up!

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There was no mention of a "problem" as in a "drinking problem." Raoul76 was vague and you assumed it was a drinking problem.

I said Eamon had a drinking problem, so he had no room to speak about Bishop Dolan drinking wine.

Well, that makes perfect sense.

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It was Jim Gebel who was upset about the Schiavo affair 7 years ago.  

The Schiavo case was only used later to add to the weak arguments.  She died in 2005.

And you also "got upset," to put it mildly, over Schiavo in 2005. Was there a "gutter accusation" driving your indignation?

Of course not.  Been to Confession lately?

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First you must have a fire! No, there was no fire in 2005.

There have been many "fires" prior to (and after) 2005. The move to West Chester lost a large number of "parishioners," the Walton, KY scandal also lost some. Then came the big and very public Schiavo gaffe and then continued defense of the gaffe.

We know; you were one of the defenders until you decided that the Schiavo affair worked in the interest of the Cabal.

Well, I wasn't a defender. I actually respectfully confronted Fr. Cekada in public. We've been through all of this before.