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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2023, 01:50:40 PM »
Pius XII was surrounded on all sides by wolves. He was a Vatican diplomat prior to becoming Pope, and suffered repeated bouts of illness that weakened him. I'd say he just simply didn't have the constitution to fight the wolves, and probably tried to play ball with them, resulting in a lot of valid, but questionable decisions that opened doors for Vatican II.

His was not a model papacy, but a weakened, dying one, ready to be overtaken by Modernists.
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Offline Cornelius

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2023, 02:11:33 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 05, 2023, 01:50:40 PM
Pius XII was surrounded on all sides by wolves.

When hasn't that been the case for any pontiff, though?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2023, 02:18:32 PM »
Quote from: Cornelius on January 05, 2023, 01:42:37 PM
In my continual studies, I have also noticed this.

Not only was Pius XII not exactly ideal, but that, as you say, many traditionalists seem to want to paint him only in the best light.

Does anybody have any good sources on him? Books, articles, etc?

I don't know what to make of PIus XII. Was he simply trying to "play the game," keep his enemies close, and ended up simply getting played himself? Was he just kinda dumb and easily manipulated? Was he just straight up compromised?

On another note, the Palmarians in Spain claim that Roncalli/John XXIII and Montini/Paul VI were actually valid popes. They even claim that Montini was drugged and forcibly manipulated! Given the drama that has been coming out of them, it's hard to take those claims seriously.
I attached a pdf of a few pages on PPXII from Who Shall Ascend? that might be of interest, here's a snip.....

"It was during Pope Pius XII’s reign that the first changes were made, whose import cannot be understated, for with these changes came the acceptance of the idea of them, which created the atmosphere for what was to come. Let it suffice to list some of the more noteworthy innovations of those years....."
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Offline Cornelius

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2023, 03:02:19 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on January 05, 2023, 02:18:32 PM
I attached a pdf of a few pages on PPXII from Who Shall Ascend? that might be of interest, here's a snip.....

"It was during Pope Pius XII’s reign that the first changes were made, whose import cannot be understated, for with these changes came the acceptance of the idea of them, which created the atmosphere for what was to come. Let it suffice to list some of the more noteworthy innovations of those years....."

Thanks.
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Offline AMDGJMJ

Re: Clarity - Father Hesse on Pope Pius XII and Opus Dei
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2023, 08:58:53 AM »
Quote from: Gunter on December 27, 2022, 08:32:20 AM
Interesting how some former SSPX Sede priests anathematize SSPX masses and others do not. 
I think we have a three Pope's type situation.  Good Catholics in different camps.
Meant to thumb up this but hit the wrong button when my finger slipped and couldn't change it.  :facepalm:
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