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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Militant Done
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2024, 10:13:52 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on March 02, 2024, 10:06:38 AM
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You were spot on. And you weren't the only one. I think Ann Barnhardt started saying Voris was spiraling out of control several years ago as well, and she was certain he was going to crash and burn. It took a lot longer than I expected, honestly, but as they say ... all good things come to him who waits! :laugh1:

I think he had spiralled long before it became public, so it just took longer to become public, not to actually happen.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: Church Militant Done
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2024, 02:50:25 PM »
The issue is a penitent sodomite becoming a public teacher, a de-facto DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH. Teaching the Church faithful, the Church militant, being a spokesperson, having a louder/larger voice than the average layperson.

THAT is the problem.

Forgive them? sure. Give them the benefit of the doubt? Sure. Be charitable? Of course. But you don't put them in a high teaching position of power, nor do you have them run your Boy Scout troupe! It's simply NOT PRUDENT.

Not everyone has a right to be a teacher. Not everyone has a right to run a boy scout troupe. Not everyone has a right to be in charge of finances. But if you're a repentant sodomite, thief, etc. you need to accept, AS PART OF YOUR PENANCE, that you no longer can expect to be trusted with those roles. And that shouldn't bother you. IF you are truly penitent.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Church Militant Done
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2024, 03:24:29 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on March 02, 2024, 02:50:25 PM
The issue is a penitent sodomite becoming a public teacher, a de-facto DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH. Teaching the Church faithful, the Church militant, being a spokesperson, having a louder/larger voice than the average layperson.

THAT is the problem.

Forgive them? sure. Give them the benefit of the doubt? Sure. Be charitable? Of course. But you don't put them in a high teaching position of power, nor do you have them run your Boy Scout troupe! It's simply NOT PRUDENT.

Not everyone has a right to be a teacher. Not everyone has a right to run a boy scout troupe. Not everyone has a right to be in charge of finances. But if you're a repentant sodomite, thief, etc. you need to accept, AS PART OF YOUR PENANCE, that you no longer can expect to be trusted with those roles. And that shouldn't bother you. IF you are truly penitent.
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Yes, I have said this on here so many times, and some idiot responded with, "But wasn't St. Augustine a public sinner before he became a Doctor of the Church?"

Um, Voris isn't St. Augustine(!!!). This is a general principle, and general principles apply to Voris.

St. Augustine was a saint -- someone whose entire life was a miracle of vlrtue. You can't make any argument based on a miracle, even a moral miracle.

That argument is like if I said, "In the Middle Ages, the earth drew all physical objects to itself by an unseen force." And someone responds, "Nah, that's ridiculous. There was this person named St. Joseph of Cupertino who floated in the air all the time back then, and he must have weighed well over a hundred pounds." :trollface:
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Church Militant Done
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2024, 03:44:57 PM »
Quote from: Matthew on March 02, 2024, 02:50:25 PM
Not everyone has a right to be a teacher. Not everyone has a right to run a boy scout troupe.

Good metaphor.  I've said this before, that I was happy for Voris if he had left his sinful life behind, but I still wouldn't send my sons over there to his house for a sleepover.  And also that he had absolutely NO business making himself a (if not arguably THE) face of conservative quasi-Trad Catholicism, excoriating people over ... permitting sodomy.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Church Militant Done
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2024, 04:13:12 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on March 02, 2024, 09:49:29 AM
they even slandered Archbishop Lefebvre at one point, claiming he had been knowingly ordaining sodomites
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Well, Voris himself KNOWINGLY hired a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ to RUN Church Militant! :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
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