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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2018, 12:18:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
    But, as 2Vermont points out, to the average person, this is not smearing the CONCILIAR Church but the Catholic Church ... since very few people understand any distinction between the two.

    If I impersonate someone and commit a crime, the effect of that is to make the subject look bad.  So the Conciliar Church, in impersonating the Catholic Church, is continuing to bring disgrace upon the Catholic Church.
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #46 on: August 22, 2018, 12:24:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 22, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
    Meg!  We agree!  Miracles do happen!  :P
    ;D
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #47 on: August 22, 2018, 12:25:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 22, 2018, 12:24:17 PM
    ;D

    So 2Vermont now believes that the earth is flat?
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #48 on: August 22, 2018, 12:27:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
    But, as 2Vermont points out, to the average person, this is not smearing the CONCILIAR Church but the Catholic Church ... since very few people understand any distinction between the two.

    So what if few people understand the distinction. The term "conciliar church" has for the most part gone out of use, even with traditional Catholics. Even trads don't really make the distinction anymore. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't make the distinction. 

    I notice that you rarely use the term "conciliar church." Why is that? 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #49 on: August 22, 2018, 02:08:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2018, 12:25:43 PM
    So 2Vermont now believes that the earth is flat?
    No...it means Meg is now a sedevacantist.   :laugh1:
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #50 on: August 22, 2018, 02:14:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 22, 2018, 10:12:11 AM
    Yes, the report is going to have problems. That's what happens with secular investigations against anything of a Catholic nature. However, even given the flawed report, I think it's good that this situation has come to light.  Maybe there will be RICA charges filed against the conciliar church in the U.S., or the USCCB. At least I hope so. Let the conciliar church fall.
    Meg, I think you mean RICO.
    Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
    And I agree with you.  What a wonderful thing that would be.
    However, I also agree with Ladislaus that the Conciliar Church is impersonating the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #51 on: August 22, 2018, 02:18:01 PM »
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    • The concilar sect (M. Lefevbre) is impersonating the Church of our Lord.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #52 on: August 22, 2018, 02:40:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 22, 2018, 02:18:01 PM
    The concilar sect (M. Lefevbre) is impersonating the Church of our Lord.
    I'm fine with that correction.
    :)
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #53 on: August 22, 2018, 03:25:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: MMagdala on August 22, 2018, 02:14:39 PM
    Meg, I think you mean RICO.
    Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations
    And I agree with you.  What a wonderful thing that would be.
    However, I also agree with Ladislaus that the Conciliar Church is impersonating the Catholic Church.
    :)

    Oops! You're right. Thanks for the correction. My mistake.

    Well, yes, the conciliar church is impersonating the Catholic Church. That's nothing new, of course. Ladislaus seems to think that we shouldn't use the term conciliar church, because "the world" doesn't understand the distinction. Well, I'm not going to define problems by what the world thinks, not use language that suits "the world" at large. A spade should be called a spade.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #54 on: August 22, 2018, 03:26:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on August 22, 2018, 02:08:54 PM
    No...it means Meg is now a sedevacantist.   :laugh1:
    :D
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #55 on: August 22, 2018, 03:41:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on August 22, 2018, 02:18:01 PM
    The concilar sect (M. Lefevbre) is impersonating the Church of our Lord.

    Yes, Archbishop Lefebvre maintained that the Church is occupied by a Modernist sect. He didn't want anyone to forget that Modernism is at the root of the problem.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #56 on: August 23, 2018, 08:25:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on August 22, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
    I notice that you rarely use the term "conciliar church." Why is that?

    Because it's either the Catholic Church or it is not.  "Concilar Church" is a term created so that people could have their cake and eat it too ... by pretending that it both is and isn't the Catholic Church at the same time, violating the principle of non-contradiction.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #57 on: August 23, 2018, 09:29:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2018, 08:25:41 AM
    Because it's either the Catholic Church or it is not.  "Concilar Church" is a term created so that people could have their cake and eat it too
    Yes, perhaps "conciliar sect" is more descriptive.
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #58 on: August 23, 2018, 09:36:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 23, 2018, 08:25:41 AM
    Because it's either the Catholic Church or it is not.  "Concilar Church" is a term created so that people could have their cake and eat it too ... by pretending that it both is and isn't the Catholic Church at the same time, violating the principle of non-contradiction.

    Pretty much what the Modernists believe too. Not surprised that you think as they do. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #59 on: August 23, 2018, 09:41:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on August 23, 2018, 09:29:00 AM
    Yes, perhaps "conciliar sect" is more descriptive.

    You don't believe that Modernism has much to do with the Crisis in the Church?

    There are some (certainly not all; I wouldn't include 2Vermont for example) sedevacantists and sedewhatevers who don't make a distinction. They don't use the term "modernism" because to them, it's not relevant. The Pope is either Catholic or not. He espouses heresy, or not. Nothing else matters. Some want to take the terms "modernism" and "conciliar church" out of use (as the SSPX has done). They have reshaped tradition. Which seems really strange to me.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29
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