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Offline poche

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Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2018, 02:09:45 AM »
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  • 1. The most important point to know is that a "grand jury report" is not really written by any jury members. As any lawyer will tell you, the report is actually written by government attorneys with a predetermined outcome. The folks in the "jury" are merely a formality, window dressing to make the matter legal. Jurors sit in a room eating hoagies and reading the newspaper while "listening" to the proceedings. There is no fact-checking, no cross-examinations, and no due process. Those cited in the report have almost no recourse to defend themselves. Accusations are assessed less on evidence and more on the desire for them to be true.
    When the time comes, a jury member simply slaps his signature on the finished attorneys' report to make everything official. Press conferences ensue, and hysteria follows. [Highly recommended: "If it's not a runaway, it's not a real grand jury" by Roger Roots.]
    In theory, a grand jury is supposed examine evidence to determine whether a crime took place and should be prosecuted. This was clearly not the intention of Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro. In an 800+-page screed, Shapiro's report (and yes, it's really Shapiro's report, not a "grand jury report") does not recommend a single criminal charge, because almost all of the accusations are many decades old. The fact that countless tax dollars and unlimited government resources were expended on this escapade – while giving far-more-recent abuse in public schools, the Boy Scouts, and other organizations a complete pass – should raise serious questions about Shapiro's true motives.
    2. Countless headlines have trumpeted that the report identified over 300 "predator priests." In truth, that is the number of those merely accused; and the listed men are not just priests but include lay people, deacons, and seminarians. Many, if not the majority, of the priests in the report are long dead and no longer around to defend themselves. This caper examined allegations dating back to the 1930s, some eight decades ago. (One of the priests named in the report was born in 1892, about the same time that light bulbs became popular.) Several men in the report vehemently deny the accusations against them, and some claims in the report are outright false. (Much more on this in Part II.) [HT: Catholic League.]

    http://www.themediareport.com/2018/08/18/rebuttal-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania/

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #31 on: August 21, 2018, 07:42:00 AM »
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  • We all know what Jew Shapiro was trying to accomplish here.


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #32 on: August 21, 2018, 08:32:30 AM »
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  • And the sodomites that control the Church enabled him.  The sodomites take hardworking people's money for law suits.  They take state and federal dollars  and use it to groom children for sodomy.  I have seen many families in our area move because high taxes while the sodomite clergy and religious live high on the hog.  
    Many laity have sodomites in their families.  Sodomy is becoming the norm at chapels.  Many traditional Catholics are desperate to have a priest that they will accept  the sodomite.   
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #33 on: August 21, 2018, 08:39:50 AM »
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  • Sad that people lost their homes to the bank while these sodomites have Jersey shore homes.  They have a nice gig   Many have women doing most on the altar.  They didn't use spare time to visit sick or elderly, many used their spare time to rape and molest.  Is it true that weurl lives in expensive house?   Expensive room rates when they can use catholic universities during off season for their meeting.  
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    Offline Geremia

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #34 on: August 21, 2018, 10:08:55 AM »
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  • So who can tell which allegations are nonsense and which allegations are real? This is just a government sponsered
    government- & MSM-sponsored
    smear campaign against the Catholic Church.
    Yes, where's the outrage against molesting-Protestants or -rabbis or child-marrying Muslims (real pedophilia!)? (Carnal Mohammad married a 9-year-old!)
    Or perhaps Jєωιѕн Shapiro et al. are on the road to conversion, because they hold a higher moral standard for Catholic priests than for others? However, they're not accusing of ephebophilia/pederasty, but pedophilia, aren't they? And why is pedophilia wrong to them, but not also sodomy (ephebophilia/pederasty)? They have no moral principles, have no clue about justice. He accuses Timlin of covering up rape and abortion, but he belongs to the Party of Death in which child-killing is part of their party platform!
    The smear campaign hypothesis seems the most likely.

    cf. this thread on Shapiro's abortion views ("safe, legal and rare")
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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #35 on: August 21, 2018, 10:48:59 PM »
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  • Countless news stories have faithfully regurgitated one berserk line in particular from the report, a line which Shapiro clearly tailored for the media to seize upon:
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    "Priests were raping little boys and girls and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing: they hid it all."
    There is no other way to put it except to say that this is a flat-out lie by Shapiro. Even a cursory look at the report debunks this absurd claim.
    Take the case in the report of Rev. Joseph Mueller: In 1986, a man went to the Diocese of Pittsburgh to claim that Mueller abused him years earlier as a teenager. Then-Bishop Donald Wuerl immediately removed him from ministry and shipped him off to St. Luke's treatment facility. Based on its evaluation of the guy, St. Luke's advised that Mueller "not work with children or adolescents." A diocesan memo also declared Mueller "unassignable." So what did Wuerl do? He stripped Mueller of his faculties, and the dude never worked as a priest again. Sayonara.
    That, dear readers, is not "doing nothing," as Shapiro claims, and he knows it.
    In fact, if one takes the time to actually read the report, one will see that the first action by a diocese, even many decades ago, was almost always to immediately remove the accused priest from his assignment. In a bunch of cases, priestly faculties were stripped. Therapy was often provided to victims.
    Josh Shapiro's claim that the Church showed "complete disdain" for victims is nothing but an ugly smear. "I met with every victim. Anyone that would come forward, I met with them and I'd have to say more than once shared a tear with them as they or their parents told the story," Cardinal Wuerl has told.


    http://www.themediareport.com/2018/08/18/rebuttal-grand-jury-report-pennsylvania/

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #36 on: August 22, 2018, 08:27:52 AM »
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  • It isn't slanderous.  It is the truth.  
    We all know it's true.  These people should have been locked up a long time ago but the Catholic Church condoned it.  Thumb down me all you want. There are threads here that support the findings of the Grand jury you lukewarm Catholics.  I guess Scranton was all lies and a myth.  What is wrong with you people?  If the Church was Catholic, then the Jews would have nothing on the Church.  The Church is destroying itself.  Stop blaming the Jews when it is lukewarm Catholics that is the problem.  Once lukewarm Catholics changed the Mass which allowed the smoke of Satan into the Church.  

    The Catholic Church put itself in this position.  

    There have been tons of parents who back up the pedophiles priests instead of  their own children.  
    ^^THIS^^
    The only ones responsible for making the Church "look bad" are the predators, not the media.
    Michael Matt made a critical error in 2002 when the Boston Globe story came out: he claimed it was all a conspiracy to "harm" the Church. If you join him in this chorus, you join with the predators who make the Church look bad, and worse, you do great harm of insult to the injury of the victims.

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #37 on: August 22, 2018, 08:35:56 AM »
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  • We all know what Jew Shapiro was trying to accomplish here.
    Really?
    So you'd rather the pedo priests continue to be hidden rather than exposed just because it makes it hard to defend the Church? 


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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #38 on: August 22, 2018, 09:59:15 AM »
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  • Really?
    So you'd rather the pedo priests continue to be hidden rather than exposed just because it makes it hard to defend the Church?

    Follow the thread.  Shapiro's report is a smear job filled with lies and distortions.  Follow the thread.  Where's a similar report on abuse by rabbis, scout masters, Orthodox prelates, Protestant ministers?

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #39 on: August 22, 2018, 10:12:11 AM »
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  • Follow the thread.  Shapiro's report is a smear job filled with lies and distortions.  Follow the thread.  Where's a similar report on abuse by rabbis, scout masters, Orthodox prelates, Protestant ministers?

    Yes, the report is going to have problems. That's what happens with secular investigations against anything of a Catholic nature. However, even given the flawed report, I think it's good that this situation has come to light.  Maybe there will be RICA charges filed against the conciliar church in the U.S., or the USCCB. At least I hope so. Let the conciliar church fall.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #40 on: August 22, 2018, 10:30:37 AM »
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  • ^^THIS^^
    The only ones responsible for making the Church "look bad" are the predators, not the media.
    Michael Matt made a critical error in 2002 when the Boston Globe story came out: he claimed it was all a conspiracy to "harm" the Church. If you join him in this chorus, you join with the predators who make the Church look bad, and worse, you do great harm of insult to the injury of the victims.

    I agree. IMO, the rotten homo conciliar church has brought this upon itself. The media wants to make the church look bad - that's true. But the conciliar church IS bad.

    True Catholicism will endure this. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #41 on: August 22, 2018, 12:09:20 PM »
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  • That's what happens with secular investigations against anything of a Catholic nature.

    Not secular.  Jєωιѕн.  Purely secular investigations usually do things like butcher Catholic theological concepts due to ignorance.  This Jew has it in for the Church and is reporting these things with glee.  And the media is spinning it as if the Church has a monopoly on these types of crimes.

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #42 on: August 22, 2018, 12:11:59 PM »
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  • This thread shows the danger of equating the Vatican II church with the Catholic Church.

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #43 on: August 22, 2018, 12:14:44 PM »
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  • I agree. IMO, the rotten homo conciliar church has brought this upon itself. The media wants to make the church look bad - that's true. But the conciliar church IS bad.

    True Catholicism will endure this.

    But, as 2Vermont points out, to the average person, this is not smearing the CONCILIAR Church but the Catholic Church ... since very few people understand any distinction between the two.

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    Re: Catholic League defends mortal sin.
    « Reply #44 on: August 22, 2018, 12:16:29 PM »
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  • I agree. IMO, the rotten homo conciliar church has brought this upon itself. The media wants to make the church look bad - that's true. But the conciliar church IS bad.

    True Catholicism will endure this.
    Meg!  We agree!  Miracles do happen!  :P