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Offline Ladislaus

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Burke Chickens Out
« on: October 21, 2025, 08:24:36 AM »
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  • https://x.com/cardinalrlburke/status/1980602384364491196

    So much for the "Great White Hope" of Traditionalism in the Church.

    Sad that Trad, Inc. have hitched their wagon to people like this ... who will end up just driving them over the cliff.

    Offline Godefroy

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2025, 08:45:06 AM »
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  • We also seem to have no news of Mgr Vigano since the funeral of Bishop Williamson. 


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2025, 09:10:25 AM »
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  • We also seem to have no news of Mgr Vigano since the funeral of Bishop Williamson.

    What do you mean no news?  He's regularly posting comments and articles, etc?

    What were you expecting him to do, start another Trad organization?  I think that's what those people who had accused him of being controlled opposition expected.

    Last thing he did was to express support for the TransAlpine Redemptorists on the 18th (I'm less enthusiastic about them, having only broken with the Bergoglian Church after they were shut down).

    https://x.com/CarloMVigano/status/1979492726040055921

    Offline Everlast22

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2025, 09:34:29 AM »
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  • Sad that Trad, Inc. have hitched their wagon to people like this ... who will end up just driving them over the cliff.
     Trad, Inc. is an aesthetic, through and through. 

    Grift Money is too good on the side of fence riding, I suppose.



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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2025, 09:38:50 AM »
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  • We also seem to have no news of Mgr Vigano since the funeral of Bishop Williamson.
    The British invasion of this site is not a good look for Catholicism.  You guys are very liberal.  Go pray the Rosary and get your life in order.


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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2025, 10:13:55 AM »
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  • The British invasion of this site is not a good look for Catholicism.  You guys are very liberal.  Go pray the Rosary and get your life in order.
    What???? I'm in France and what's that got to do with the question.

    Does anyone else have news about Mgr Vigano, Pax Vobis seems a little triggered somehow?

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2025, 10:39:02 AM »
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  • What???? I'm in France and what's that got to do with the question.

    Does anyone else have news about Mgr Vigano, Pax Vobis seems a little triggered somehow?
    I'm indifferent to Vigano, personally. I just don't think he's saying anything all that revealing for in-the-know trad Catholics.

    There's no reason to be diplomatic to Post-concilliar Rome at this time in history. 

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2025, 11:29:05 AM »
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  • https://x.com/cardinalrlburke/status/1980602384364491196

    So much for the "Great White Hope" of Traditionalism in the Church.

    Sad that Trad, Inc. have hitched their wagon to people like this ... who will end up just driving them over the cliff.
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    I wonder which videos he is referring to? I follow Ann Barnhardt's channel sometimes, and recently she came out with a podcast that she actually met with Burke twice about five years ago, and explained to him her theory of Bennyvacantism. She said he seemed to think it made sense, and was disappointed that he didn't declare Bergoglio's election to be invalid. She has publicly criticized him several times since then for not doing anything about Prevost's election.

    Is this what Burke is talking about?


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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2025, 08:08:05 PM »
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  • .

    I wonder which videos he is referring to? I follow Ann Barnhardt's channel sometimes, and recently she came out with a podcast that she actually met with Burke twice about five years ago, and explained to him her theory of Bennyvacantism. She said he seemed to think it made sense, and was disappointed that he didn't declare Bergoglio's election to be invalid. She has publicly criticized him several times since then for not doing anything about Prevost's election.

    Is this what Burke is talking about?

    I can't recall who put them out, but I do remember that a certain few of Trad Inc. put out videos of some talk or sermon (can't recall) from Burke where they cast it as his rebuke of Prevost.  I didn't actually watch them, since I know that Trad Inc. like to put on their rose-colored glasses where they try to paint any "prelate" who says something remotely sympathetic to Tradition as some kind of Traditionalist champion.  I think it's likely a combination of the two, where he was making some (probably very mild, weak, and implicit criticisms of Prevost) but the Trad Inc blew it out of proportion as they like to do in their wishful thinking that salvation will come from within the Conciliar Church.  I believe it was both.

    But if you look at this video from Burke, it's almost reminiscent of those statements that hostages are forced to make by their captors, usually terrorists of some kind, or like what they forced Cardinal Mindszenty to say at his show trial ... where you can almost imagine some guy off to the side with a gun in his hand, or, in this case, metaphorically standing there with some threat to Burke that he'll be kicked out of his Vatican quarters if he doesn't comply.

    It does seem like Trad Inc ... I typoed Tard, Inc ... and thought for a second about whether I should backspace to correct it, since both are apt ... it appears that Trad Inc appear to be working in lockstep off of talking points, almost like that famous montage someone put together of different news stations across the country repeating the same scripted propaganda about COVID.  When that mouthpiece for Prevost Montagna put out that nonsense about Bergs having lied about his reason for suppressing the Tridentine Mass, and a simple 30-second lookup revealed that it was Montagna who was lying ... they nevertheless all jumped on the bandwagon in accusing Bergs of lying, and the purpose of that was to try to draw a contrast against Prevost, since the more wicked you make Bergoglio look, the better Prevost looks by comparison, in a relative sense.

    It was reported that after Prevost's (s)election, Trad Inc who had been in Rome for the Nonclave were all summoned to Burke's quarters and told to know it off on criticizing Prevost, and Marshall did pull the videos he had made earlier that had been very negative against him and professed his undying loyalty.  I suspect that some threats were brought to bear, such as that they'd be denounced by the Vatican ... and that of course would cut into the revenue stream of these shameless professional grifters who think they're anointed by God to be these theological leaders, just so they can live the good life without having to get real jobs that most laymen have to hold down.  Prevost then seemed to back this up when he invited all these "Influencers", including that one portly shameless shill (forget the guy's name for the moment) to this Conference where they clearly appealed to their egos (you can see the guy beaming with pride at thinking he was now "on the radar" to be the next star of the Popesplainers, you know, the guy who was against sodomite blessings before Bergs approved it but then became FOR them later.

    In any case, I think there's some concerted effort, yes a conspiracy, among the Trad Inc types.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2025, 10:22:33 PM »
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  • Burke’s tranny “nun,” Judaizing, and sex abuse scandals
    https://archive.vn/BqALK#selection-3191.9-3441.1 
     
    tranny “nun”
     
    ““Julie Green is living a lie!’ writes Mary Therese Helmueller in an October 25, 2002, letter to Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo, Papal Nuncio to the United States. ‘[She] is a transsɛҳuąƖ, a biological male. He is really Joel Green, who had a sex operation to make him physically appear as a woman.... I fear that The Church in America will suffer another ‘sex scandal’ if Julie Green continues to be recognized as a Catholic Religious Sister, and if Bishop Raymond L. Burke receives his final vows, as a religious sister, on November 23rd, 2002.’
     
    “Montalvo forwarded the letter to Burke, who on November 20, 2002, replied to Helmueller. ‘With regard to Sister Julie Green, F.S.J., the recognition of the association of the faithful which she and Sister Anne LeBlanc founded was granted only after consultation with the Holy See,’ he writes. ‘These are matters which are confidential and do not admit of any further comment.... I can assure you that Sister Julie Green in no way espouses a sex change operation as right or good. In fact, she holds it to be seriously disordered. Therefore, I caution you very much about the rash judgments which you made in your letter to the Apostolic Nuncio.’
    Adds Burke: ‘I express my surprise that, when you had questions about Sister Julie Green, you did not, in accord with the teaching of our Lord, address the matter to me directly.’
     
    “Green and the Franciscan Servants weren’t the only controversial religious order with which Burke allied himself. In the late 1990s, the bishop combined the parishes of St. Mary and St. James in Wausau, Wisconsin. The two parishes formed the Resurrection Parish at what was formerly St. James’ Parish.
     
    “St. Mary's was sold. Burke then asked the conservative Latin-rite religious order, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, to perform the Tridentine Mass at what was formerly St. Mary's. In February 2002, the order's superior, Monsignor Timothy Svea, pleaded guilty to exposing himself to and molesting teenage boys.”
     
    Bishop Takes Queen
    Raymond Burke is highly traditional. That's why he received the final vows of a transgendered nun.
    By Malcolm gαy, Riverfront Times, August 25, 2004
    See also: Good news Bruce Jenner, Cardinal Burke would accept you as a nun!
    https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/10/good-news-bruce-jenner-cardinal-burke.html
     
    Catholic World News News Feature
    Sex- Change Operations Ruled Invalid by Vatican January 31, 2003
     
    Judaizing
     
    “Conservative” Cardinal Raymond Burke promotes тαℓмυdic agitprop
    Raymond the Rabbi attends Seder Meal
    Cardinal Raymond Burke & the Association of Hebrew Catholics
     
    sex scandals
     
    Immaculate Deception
    Some dirty little secrets followed Archbishop Raymond Burke from Wisconsin to St. Louis
    by Malcolm gαy
     
    Cardinal Burke's sex abuse analysis woefully inadequate
    by Thomas C. Fox, National Catholic Reporter, Sep 3, 2012
     
    modernist in trad drag
     
    Traduttore, Traditore
    by Lyle J. Arnold, Jr.
    “Card. Burke also envisages the merge into one single rite of the Novus Ordo such as approved by Paul VI and the Tridentine Mass, as allowed by Benedict XVI in the Summorum Pontificuм. He said: ‘It seems to me that what he [the Pope] has in mind is that this mutual enrichment would seen to naturally produce a new form of the Roman rite - the reform of the reform, if we may - all of which I would welcome and look forward to its advent.’”
     
     


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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 05:30:12 AM »
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  • Burke’s tranny “nun,” Judaizing, and sex abuse scandals
    https://archive.vn/BqALK#selection-3191.9-3441.1
    tranny “nun”

    ““Julie Green is living a lie!’ writes Mary Therese Helmueller in an October 25, 2002, letter to Archbishop Gabriel Montalvo, Papal Nuncio to the United States. ‘[She] is a transsɛҳuąƖ, a biological male. He is really Joel Green, who had a sex operation to make him physically appear as a woman.... I fear that The Church in America will suffer another ‘sex scandal’ if Julie Green continues to be recognized as a Catholic Religious Sister, and if Bishop Raymond L. Burke receives his final vows, as a religious sister, on November 23rd, 2002.’
    “Montalvo forwarded the letter to Burke, who on November 20, 2002, replied to Helmueller. ‘With regard to Sister Julie Green, F.S.J., the recognition of the association of the faithful which she and Sister Anne LeBlanc founded was granted only after consultation with the Holy See,’ he writes. ‘These are matters which are confidential and do not admit of any further comment.... I can assure you that Sister Julie Green in no way espouses a sex change operation as right or good. In fact, she holds it to be seriously disordered. Therefore, I caution you very much about the rash judgments which you made in your letter to the Apostolic Nuncio.’
    Adds Burke: ‘I express my surprise that, when you had questions about Sister Julie Green, you did not, in accord with the teaching of our Lord, address the matter to me directly.’
    “Green and the Franciscan Servants weren’t the only controversial religious order with which Burke allied himself. In the late 1990s, the bishop combined the parishes of St. Mary and St. James in Wausau, Wisconsin. The two parishes formed the Resurrection Parish at what was formerly St. James’ Parish.
    “St. Mary's was sold. Burke then asked the conservative Latin-rite religious order, Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, to perform the Tridentine Mass at what was formerly St. Mary's. In February 2002, the order's superior, Monsignor Timothy Svea, pleaded guilty to exposing himself to and molesting teenage boys.”
    Bishop Takes Queen
    Raymond Burke is highly traditional. That's why he received the final vows of a transgendered nun.
    By Malcolm gαy, Riverfront Times, August 25, 2004
    See also: Good news Bruce Jenner, Cardinal Burke would accept you as a nun!
    https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2015/10/good-news-bruce-jenner-cardinal-burke.html

    Catholic World News News Feature
    Sex- Change Operations Ruled Invalid by Vatican January 31, 2003
    Judaizing
    “Conservative” Cardinal Raymond Burke promotes тαℓмυdic agitprop
    Raymond the Rabbi attends Seder Meal
    Cardinal Raymond Burke & the Association of Hebrew Catholics
    sex scandals
    Immaculate Deception
    Some dirty little secrets followed Archbishop Raymond Burke from Wisconsin to St. Louis
    by Malcolm gαy
    Cardinal Burke's sex abuse analysis woefully inadequate
    by Thomas C. Fox, National Catholic Reporter, Sep 3, 2012
    modernist in trad drag

    Traduttore, Traditore
    by Lyle J. Arnold, Jr.
    “Card. Burke also envisages the merge into one single rite of the Novus Ordo such as approved by Paul VI and the Tridentine Mass, as allowed by Benedict XVI in the Summorum Pontificuм. He said: ‘It seems to me that what he [the Pope] has in mind is that this mutual enrichment would seen to naturally produce a new form of the Roman rite - the reform of the reform, if we may - all of which I would welcome and look forward to its advent.’”

    https://www.mrt.com/news/article/Priest-Gets-18-Months-for-Molestation-7779740.php
    May God bless you and keep you


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 07:49:12 AM »
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  • So there's a huge controversy now because the alleged videos to which Burke was responding were some AI-generated ones, and we have the usual Tard Inc suspects like Matt wagging his finger at those responsible, but this actuall ended up serving a great purpose, flushing Burke out, forcing Burke to get off the fence and clarify where he stands with regard to the Conciliar Church.  If, then, this was a clever plan to bring up precisely this type of response, it was brilliantly executed.

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 08:48:59 AM »
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  • So there's a huge controversy now because the alleged videos to which Burke was responding were some AI-generated ones, and we have the usual Tard Inc suspects like Matt wagging his finger at those responsible, but this actuall ended up serving a great purpose, flushing Burke out, forcing Burke to get off the fence and clarify where he stands with regard to the Conciliar Church.  If, then, this was a clever plan to bring up precisely this type of response, it was brilliantly executed.
    The morality of generating convincing videos of people saying/doing things that they did not say or do aside, how long will it be before this technology is used against trads? AI generated videos are becoming very convincing..and there's still room for improvement.

    The thought of realistic AI videos that depict prominent trads, trad priests/bishops doing and saying bad things is pretty worrisome 
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 08:56:36 AM »
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  • Like imagine someone "leaking" and "old" video of +Williamson saying he found nothing wrong with Amoris Laetitia or whatever. If it's convincing, some people will believe it
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Burke Chickens Out
    « Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 09:04:16 AM »
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  • The morality of generating convincing videos of people saying/doing things that they did not say or do aside, how long will it be before this technology is used against trads? AI generated videos are becoming very convincing..and there's still room for improvement.

    The thought of realistic AI videos that depict prominent trads, trad priests/bishops doing and saying bad things is pretty worrisome

    100% ... at this time we're not QUITE there where people can't (with some effort) uncover DeepFakes, but they are getting better with each generation of AI, and there will come a time that absolutely nobody could tell them apart.  We might end up living in a surreal world where we have no idea what reality is anymore.  Even in little things, like the glitches in NASA fakery that often expose them ... those will be a thing of the past.  We could have a President "in office" for 8 years after he was killed or dropped dead, giving AI speeches, and the prospect of living in a fake world is incredibly unsettling.