I'm not one who holds the Thuc line to be doubtful, but Bishop Webster's line has some issues due to one Jean Laborie.

Bishop Webster was consecrated a bishop by Bishop Slupski (I don't believe there are any doubts about his line).

But he had been ordained to the priesthood by Bishop Timothy Henneberry.

Henneberry, in turn, was consecrated a bishop by a Bishop Terrasson.

Terrasson had been consecrated by Clemente Dominguez Gomez (of Palmar fame).  Apart from the fact that Gomez had no training and could easily have botched the Rite of Episcopal Consecration, this was likely valid ...

except, and here's the problem

Terrasson had been ordained a priest by in 1974 by Jean Laborie.

But in 1977 Bishop Thuc CONDITIONALLY consecrated Laborie.  There's no record of who ordained Laborie, but his pre-1977 consecrationS (plural) went as follows ...

[Laborie] had already been consecrated a bishop on 10/02/1966 at xxxxx by Jean Pierre Danyel, a bishop of the Sainte Église Celtique. Later he was consecrated sub conditione a bishop on 08/20/1968 at xxxxx by Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet, a bishop known as "Patriarch Aloysius Basilius III" of the Patriarchate Orthodoxe de l'Europe Latine.

So his status in 1974 when he ordained Terrasson to the priesthood was one of clear positive doubt.  So much so, that in 1977, Bishop Thuc consecrated Laborie conditionally.

NOW ... there's an allegation that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained at some point before his consecration by Clemente.  But I've seen no proof for this whatsover.

So unless there's docuмentation/proof that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained before his consecration, the whole line is in doubt.

Consequently, we have to hold there to be positive doubt regarding the validity of Bishop Pfeiffer.

Bishop Webster is an old old friend of mine from over 20 years ago.  He was ordained a priest some 12 years ago and a bishop subsequently.  He was a parishioner at St. Vincents in KC when I started attending there in 1991.  He remains friends in contact w/ many folks here at st. V's tho I'v not had any contact since he left the area to become a priest and subsequently a bishop.  He's a holy man, used to spread the rosary door to door in the "hoods" here in the kc metro every day and was very active in pro-life.  He's a sedevacantist, tho not the most hardcore I've ever met.  He did make the clearest answer to my difficulties with that issue as follows " why would you want to be in communion w/ heretics"  I still can offer no real answer to that, thus I cannot deny the sede position ( not ready to commit yet either)  my real issue w/ him was his rigid Feeneyism and his adhereance to naturopathic medicine/quackery.   Great guy, at one time a close personal friend, I wish him much well.    I thought about havng him ordaining me a priest so I could say mass for my family at home ( no impediment for married men to be priests, onl vise versa)  Then I could sleep in  on sundays and pray for the dismal kansas city griefs.

That is cool to spread the Rosary and gospel to everyone. It might be good to have more priests during these times. 

Is he still in Tennessee?  

Yes he is. You can call him at (865) 693-1889.

and Bishop Webster would not ordain a married man.  He is not liberal.  He is a traditional Catholic.  Very strict and kind.  
Bishop WEbster also encouraged us to make time to pray the whole Rosary.

Since you seem to have a relationship with him, will you please call him and ask if he performed the conditional consecration on fr. Pfeiffer and if it was videotaped?
.
Perhaps also inform him that fr. Pfeiffer has thrown him under the bus, just two days after being consecrated by him.

One suggestion:  

The term "Feeneyite" shouldn't be used in a derogatory manner.


What does it imply?  "One Baptism and No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church"   How beautiful!

And if Catholics had listened to and heeded Father Feeney's warnings on Jєωιѕн infiltration inside the Catholic Church, we'd be in a much better position to defend Catholic tradition than we are today.


An example of Father's inspired brilliance on this subject is demonstrated in this article from his newsletter, "The Point"

Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ in the Life and Times of Pope Pius IX

Few Catholics have been able to make the connection of how world jewery uses Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to their anti-Christian ends.

So when traditional bishops, priests and laymen stand up and pontificate against "Feeneyism" (i.e., staunch Catholicism), they do so at their own spiritual peril.

Thank you for this post Incredulous.
I rarely see the term 'Feeneyite' NOT used in a derogatory manner.  It is a shocking way to talk about a good Catholic priest who, as you say, taught that there is 'One Baptism and No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church".    I was always taught that one must be baptised in the one, true, holy Catholic and apostolic Church in order to be saved.   That has not changed according to all the research done on this forum by Pax Vobis, Stubborn, Ladislaus etc.  God bless them.

I'm not one who holds the Thuc line to be doubtful, but Bishop Webster's line has some issues due to one Jean Laborie.

Bishop Webster was consecrated a bishop by Bishop Slupski (I don't believe there are any doubts about his line).

But he had been ordained to the priesthood by Bishop Timothy Henneberry.

Henneberry, in turn, was consecrated a bishop by a Bishop Terrasson.

Terrasson had been consecrated by Clemente Dominguez Gomez (of Palmar fame).  Apart from the fact that Gomez had no training and could easily have botched the Rite of Episcopal Consecration, this was likely valid ...

except, and here's the problem

Terrasson had been ordained a priest by in 1974 by Jean Laborie.

But in 1977 Bishop Thuc CONDITIONALLY consecrated Laborie.  There's no record of who ordained Laborie, but his pre-1977 consecrationS (plural) went as follows ...

[Laborie] had already been consecrated a bishop on 10/02/1966 at xxxxx by Jean Pierre Danyel, a bishop of the Sainte Église Celtique. Later he was consecrated sub conditione a bishop on 08/20/1968 at xxxxx by Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet, a bishop known as "Patriarch Aloysius Basilius III" of the Patriarchate Orthodoxe de l'Europe Latine.

So his status in 1974 when he ordained Terrasson to the priesthood was one of clear positive doubt.  So much so, that in 1977, Bishop Thuc consecrated Laborie conditionally.

NOW ... there's an allegation that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained at some point before his consecration by Clemente.  But I've seen no proof for this whatsover.

So unless there's docuмentation/proof that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained before his consecration, the whole line is in doubt.

Consequently, we have to hold there to be positive doubt regarding the validity of Bishop Pfeiffer.

You make some very good points.  I wonder if such a docuмent exists: conditional ordination before Terrasson consecration.  That, in addition to the video of the conditional consecration of Pfeiffer would be necessary to prove the validity of Pfeiffer.

Bp. Terrasson was conditionally ordained to the priesthood prior to his episcopal consecration. See pictures attached:

Thank you.  One step done.
Can anyone translate?
.
Now Fr. Pfeiffer needs to release the video of his conditional consecration before we can dispel the positive doubt about his consecration.

Thank you.  One step done.
Can anyone translate?
.
Now Fr. Pfeiffer needs to release the video of his conditional consecration before we can dispel the positive doubt about his consecration.

I’ll translate it later or tomorrow; on cell right now.