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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2020, 10:31:54 AM »
I'm not one who holds the Thuc line to be doubtful, but Bishop Webster's line has some issues due to one Jean Laborie.

Bishop Webster was consecrated a bishop by Bishop Slupski (I don't believe there are any doubts about his line).

But he had been ordained to the priesthood by Bishop Timothy Henneberry.

Henneberry, in turn, was consecrated a bishop by a Bishop Terrasson.

Terrasson had been consecrated by Clemente Dominguez Gomez (of Palmar fame).  Apart from the fact that Gomez had no training and could easily have botched the Rite of Episcopal Consecration, this was likely valid ...

except, and here's the problem

Terrasson had been ordained a priest by in 1974 by Jean Laborie.

But in 1977 Bishop Thuc CONDITIONALLY consecrated Laborie.  There's no record of who ordained Laborie, but his pre-1977 consecrationS (plural) went as follows ...

[Laborie] had already been consecrated a bishop on 10/02/1966 at xxxxx by Jean Pierre Danyel, a bishop of the Sainte Église Celtique. Later he was consecrated sub conditione a bishop on 08/20/1968 at xxxxx by Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet, a bishop known as "Patriarch Aloysius Basilius III" of the Patriarchate Orthodoxe de l'Europe Latine.

So his status in 1974 when he ordained Terrasson to the priesthood was one of clear positive doubt.  So much so, that in 1977, Bishop Thuc consecrated Laborie conditionally.

NOW ... there's an allegation that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained at some point before his consecration by Clemente.  But I've seen no proof for this whatsover.

So unless there's docuмentation/proof that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained before his consecration, the whole line is in doubt.

Consequently, we have to hold there to be positive doubt regarding the validity of Bishop Pfeiffer.

Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »
I'm not one who holds the Thuc line to be doubtful, but Bishop Webster's line has some issues due to one Jean Laborie.

Bishop Webster was consecrated a bishop by Bishop Slupski (I don't believe there are any doubts about his line).

But he had been ordained to the priesthood by Bishop Timothy Henneberry.

Henneberry, in turn, was consecrated a bishop by a Bishop Terrasson.

Terrasson had been consecrated by Clemente Dominguez Gomez (of Palmar fame).  Apart from the fact that Gomez had no training and could easily have botched the Rite of Episcopal Consecration, this was likely valid ...

except, and here's the problem

Terrasson had been ordained a priest by in 1974 by Jean Laborie.

But in 1977 Bishop Thuc CONDITIONALLY consecrated Laborie.  There's no record of who ordained Laborie, but his pre-1977 consecrationS (plural) went as follows ...

[Laborie] had already been consecrated a bishop on 10/02/1966 at xxxxx by Jean Pierre Danyel, a bishop of the Sainte Église Celtique. Later he was consecrated sub conditione a bishop on 08/20/1968 at xxxxx by Louis Jean Stanislaus Canivet, a bishop known as "Patriarch Aloysius Basilius III" of the Patriarchate Orthodoxe de l'Europe Latine.

So his status in 1974 when he ordained Terrasson to the priesthood was one of clear positive doubt.  So much so, that in 1977, Bishop Thuc consecrated Laborie conditionally.

NOW ... there's an allegation that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained at some point before his consecration by Clemente.  But I've seen no proof for this whatsover.

So unless there's docuмentation/proof that Terrasson had been conditionally ordained before his consecration, the whole line is in doubt.

Consequently, we have to hold there to be positive doubt regarding the validity of Bishop Pfeiffer.
It's all pretty squishy.


Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2020, 07:39:27 PM »
Bishop Webster is an old old friend of mine from over 20 years ago.  He was ordained a priest some 12 years ago and a bishop subsequently.  He was a parishioner at St. Vincents in KC when I started attending there in 1991.  He remains friends in contact w/ many folks here at st. V's tho I'v not had any contact since he left the area to become a priest and subsequently a bishop.  He's a holy man, used to spread the rosary door to door in the "hoods" here in the kc metro every day and was very active in pro-life.  He's a sedevacantist, tho not the most hardcore I've ever met.  He did make the clearest answer to my difficulties with that issue as follows " why would you want to be in communion w/ heretics"  I still can offer no real answer to that, thus I cannot deny the sede position ( not ready to commit yet either)  my real issue w/ him was his rigid Feeneyism and his adhereance to naturopathic medicine/quackery.   Great guy, at one time a close personal friend, I wish him much well.    I thought about havng him ordaining me a priest so I could say mass for my family at home ( no impediment for married men to be priests, onl vise versa)  Then I could sleep in  on sundays and pray for the dismal kansas city griefs.
That is cool to spread the Rosary and gospel to everyone. It might be good to have more priests during these times. 

Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2020, 07:40:19 PM »
Is he still in Tennessee?  

Offline Cryptinox

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Re: Bp Neal Webster
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2020, 09:38:37 PM »
Is he still in Tennessee?  
Yes he is. You can call him at (865) 693-1889.