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Offline Jr1991

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Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
« on: February 19, 2024, 01:24:25 PM »
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    • I don’t know how accurate this information is or if it’s true, but several reports claim that Bergoglio said this in one of his Lenten messages. One thing that leads me to believe that it is true is the MSM is coming to his defense.

    "Eat whatever you want for Lent. The sacrifice is not in the stomach, but in the heart. They refrain from eating meat, but don't talk to their siblings or relatives, don't visit their parents or bother to attend to them. They Don't share food with the needy, they forbid children to see their father, forbid grandparents to see their grandchildren, criticize other people's lives, beat their wife, etc..

    A good barbeque or beef stew won't make you a bad person, just like a fish fillet won't turn you into a saint.
    Better seek to have a deeper relationship with God through better treatment of others  Let's be less arrogant and more humble at heart.

    Pope Francis





    https://www.facebook.com/457521318996429/posts/1119845586097329

    Fact Check: Posts Claim Pope Francis Said 'Eat Whatever You Want For Easter.' Here's the Truth (msn.com)

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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #1 on: February 19, 2024, 01:33:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on February 19, 2024, 01:24:25 PM
    I don’t know how accurate this information is or if it’s true, but several reports claim that Bergoglio said this in one of his Lenten messages. One thing that leads me to believe that it is true is the MSM is coming to his defense.

    "Eat whatever you want for Lent. The sacrifice is not in the stomach, but in the heart. They refrain from eating meat, but don't talk to their siblings or relatives, don't visit their parents or bother to attend to them. They Don't share food with the needy, they forbid children to see their father, forbid grandparents to see their grandchildren, criticize other people's lives, beat their wife, etc..

    A good barbeque or beef stew won't make you a bad person, just like a fish fillet won't turn you into a saint.
    Better seek to have a deeper relationship with God through better treatment of others  Let's be less arrogant and more humble at heart.

    Pope Francis





    https://www.facebook.com/457521318996429/posts/1119845586097329

    Fact Check: Posts Claim Pope Francis Said 'Eat Whatever You Want For Easter.' Here's the Truth (msn.com)

    Absolute stercorum equii.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #2 on: February 19, 2024, 01:34:45 PM »
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    • There is a NO priest online who says self abuse isn’t a mortal sin and only mortal sins are to be told in confession.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #3 on: February 19, 2024, 01:44:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on February 19, 2024, 01:34:45 PM
    There is a NO priest online who says self abuse isn’t a mortal sin and only mortal sins are to be told in confession.

    True, you only HAVE to confess mortal sins, but I'm afraid onanism is one of them.
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    Offline Jr1991

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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #4 on: February 19, 2024, 01:47:04 PM »
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    • I must admit, even if it's not true, the quote is definitely something I can see him saying.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #5 on: February 19, 2024, 01:57:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on February 19, 2024, 01:47:04 PM
    I must admit, even if it's not true, the quote is definitely something I can see him saying.

    Right, absolutely 100% authentic Bergoglian thinking ... whether or not he said it this time.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #6 on: February 19, 2024, 03:28:59 PM »
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    I don’t know how accurate this information is or if it’s true,
    Then why did you start this thread? Nothing better to do?
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #7 on: February 19, 2024, 03:40:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on February 19, 2024, 03:28:59 PM
    Then why did you start this thread? Nothing better to do?

    Because it showed up as one of the top stories on my news feed, would it be surprising to you that he made such a statement?
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2024, 03:49:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on February 19, 2024, 03:40:24 PM
    Because it showed up as one of the top stories on my news feed, would it be surprising to you that he made such a statement?
    Your question is irelevent and your reason is strange. It reminds me of a tenant we once had who cut down one of our trees. When asked why he did it, he answered, “I had a chainsaw in my hand.”
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2024, 03:53:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on February 19, 2024, 03:49:28 PM
    Your question is irelevent and your reason is strange. It reminds me of a tenant we once had who cut down one of our trees. When asked why he did it, he answered, “I had a chainsaw in my hand.”

    You asked me a question, and I answered it—now, can you answer mine? Would you be surprised if Bergoglio said something like what was quoted?
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2024, 03:59:00 PM »
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    • By the way, you might want to reread my comment. The thread's title had a question mark, and my comment indicated that  I did not know if the quote was true or false. If you want to take the MSM at face value, that's up to you.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2024, 03:59:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on February 19, 2024, 03:40:24 PM
    Because it showed up as one of the top stories on my news feed, would it be surprising to you that he made such a statement?

    Look, I (or my aging eyes, or my imperfect reading glasses) read the truncated subject line on the main page list of Recent Posts as "Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whale..." At first I figured it was some weird muskrat sort of dispensation for Canadian so-called First Nations or whatever.

    Obviously after clicking in and reading the actual post, I was mistaken.

    What's my point? That all of this easily turns into a children's game of telephone. Verified actual statements on record are bad enough, as if there haven't been truly serious whoppers galore. No need to go chasing after bottom-of-the-barrel silliness that gets the attention of liberal Snopes.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2024, 04:08:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Soubirous on February 19, 2024, 03:59:33 PM
    Look, I (or my aging eyes, or my imperfect reading glasses) read the truncated subject line on the main page list of Recent Posts as "Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whale..." At first I figured it was some weird muskrat sort of dispensation for Canadian so-called First Nations or whatever.

    Obviously after clicking in and reading the actual post, I was mistaken.

    What's my point? That all of this easily turns into a children's game of telephone. Verified actual statements on record are bad enough, as if there haven't been truly serious whoppers galore. No need to go chasing after bottom-of-the-barrel silliness that gets the attention of liberal Snopes.

    Right, That’s what I also thought when I read that he told Scalfari that Hell does not exist and your soul just disappears.  At first, I thought it was a joke until there was no clarification from the Vatican, which told me it was true.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2024, 04:18:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on February 19, 2024, 04:08:26 PM
    Right, That’s what I also thought when I read that he told Scalfari that Hell does not exist and your soul just disappears.  At first, I thought it was a joke until there was no clarification from the Vatican, which told me it was true.

    OK, but pretty much nothing that he and his henchmen say surprises me anymore. Just another day in clown world.

    On the other hand, it'd be an earth-shattering shock if suddenly he started to sound like, say, Pope Leo XIII. Then we'd really need verified fact-checkers.
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    Re: Bergoglio tells Catholics to eat whatever they want for Lent?
    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2024, 10:30:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on February 19, 2024, 01:33:56 PM
    Absolute stercorum equii.
    After rereading what Francis said, in all fairness, strictly speaking he is not telling anyone to violate the rules of fast or abstinence, either traditional (which he surely didn't have in mind) or Newchurch.  Even under the traditional interpretation, meat is not absolutely forbidden on days that are not Friday or Ash Wednesday, and Sundays are never a day of fast or abstinence.  He spoke of Lent in general, not necessarily Ash Wednesdays and Fridays.  Even under the traditional rules (which, as I said, he surely didn't have in mind), you could take meat at the one full main meal on any days not Ash Wednesday or Friday.

    But, as with so many things he says, they can be misunderstood even if, strictly speaking, they are not heterodox or dismissive of Church discipline.  Popes should not be confusing.  They should just clearly say what's on their minds.
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