It's funny that they grief Novus Ordites for believing that JPII did the consecration in a "good enough" manner, but then turn around and say that Pius XII did it in a "good enough" manner (like I did til recently) and that the continued existence of Communism on a global scale is somehow a "conversion".

It's almost like absolutely no one knows what's going on anymore

No one really does.

Well, the Dimonds are the chief proponents of the theory, and they have their own unque interpretation of the word "convert" but even with that definition it's highly debatable whether Russia actually "converted".

It's funny that they grief Novus Ordites for believing that JPII did the consecration in a "good enough" manner, but then turn around and say that Pius XII did it in a "good enough" manner (like I did til recently) and that the continued existence of Communism on a global scale is somehow a "conversion".

It's almost like absolutely no one knows what's going on anymore

That's an unfair characterization of the MHFM take on Fatima.  They give grief to "Novus Ordites" for believing that JP2 is a legitimate pope.  How could a non-Catholic, non-pope perform a "good enough" consecration?  Whereas they recognize Pope Pius XII as a legitimate Catholic Pope.  That Pius XII performed a consecration of Russia (by name) is a historic fact.  It is only opinion that it was not "good enough".  I don't recall if Sister Lucy ever commented directly about that particular consecration before she disappeared around 1958.  However, it was a consecration of Russia even if it wasn't done with all the bishops.  So there is nothing inconsistent about the MHFM analysis.  It isn't necessarily correct, but at least it isn't inconsistent and therefore it is plausible.  They don't even insist that accepting their analysis is crucial.  What is absolutely crucial is that we all submit our wills to the teaching of the Catholic Church.  If you want to complain about inconsistencies, I'd say the Fatima Center should be the first in line for criticism.  They believe that JP2's consecration was not good enough but nevertheless produced a good effect even though he didn't even mention Russia.  But they completely ignore the Pius XII consecration.  Shouldn't they at least recognize some good effect from that consecration as well?

One thing that Sister Lucy said before she disappeared is that we are in the end times.  In that case, the period of peace may be after the Day of Judgement.  We shouldn't be looking for happiness in this world anyway.  Our treasure is in Heaven.  We live here in a valley of tears and the "good enough" consecration isn't going to change that.

Who cares?  Only God knows.  

Looks like all the worst prediction and interpretations about the consecration have been confirmed.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/why-is-a-leading-vatican-theologian-rejecting-the-fatima-links-to-pope-francis-consecration-of-russia/



Here comes the next phase of Irlmoir.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/it-s-official-russia-central-bank-announced-ruble-bond-to-gold-5000-rubles-per-gram

So far his prophecies are playing out extremely accurately


https://greatmonarch-angelicpontiffprophecies.blogspot.com/p/alois-irlmaier1894-1959-deciding.html?m=1

Oct 9, 2028 will mark 70 years since the death of Pius XII.

I earnestly believe the spiritual Babylon we find ourselves in will began to unravel at that time.

The culmination of the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart will probably be around 2033.

I hope the peace lasts for 400 years, and not merely 40 years.



https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142893/#msg142893

I believe the devil will take this resurgence of Catholic zeal and twist it into a sort of crazed nαzι-like statism.  When this hit me, it instantly rang true.  I had always wondered how the Great Monarch's kingdom could collapse so rapidly.  I see no other way it could happen except this.  I'm not saying I know for sure, but it makes sense.  The devil can use rigor just as he uses laxism, puffing up pride and creating monsters.

Just as Vatican II is a far-left error, perhaps Antichrist will be a far-rightist as well -- gathering together the influence of the Jansenists and Gallicans and merging it with religious indifferentism. 

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142904/#msg142904

Continuing from my last post, three points :

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As for the Monarch, I don't believe the prophecies that say his reign will be short.  They are contradicted by other prophecies and, besides, it would be inconsistent with a good ruler.  If religion triumphs and there are many holy Doctors and saintly, wise men on earth, how could they raise a succeeding generation that is wicked.  Moral theology tells us that parents share the guilt for every sin of their children which they could have in ay way prevented; thus, saintly parents will most likely have ecent children, uprooting wicked tendencies and faults from infancy.  And the Church's sacramental power needs to ...

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142908/#msg142908

... have a real effect on restraining mens' wicked nature and lifting their hearts to God.  The Monarch, furthermore, and the Holy Pope, will destroy these heresies of Gallicanism and Jansenism and their artifice, Orléanism, thus enabling a true renewal of the Church in a unified spirit.  Therefore, I think we can be morally confident in the glory of the Church lasting at least until the fourth generation, the generation of the Restoration inclusive.  Think of the psychological power of the stories of the deeds of the Holy Pope and Holy King alone, their associates, their words, the wisdom of their judments and laws, the impression of the buildings and art they foster, the camaraderie of the traditions and institutions they establish.  Not only that, but think of the nations as yet unreached by the Gospel and whose lands still need to be permeated with grace and holy knowledge. It does not seem natural that the Restoration's influence would be so short-lived and unstable, since that would almost be a mark of its own disorder and the inefficacy of its authors.  So, while relatively brief, I don't see how it is unreasonable to suppose that two hundred years will pass from the Monarch until the Antichrist, the period when the foundations for the Antichrist are set beginning upon the death of the Monarch.  But nature must take its course -- men must forget.  Therefore, four good generations will hold out, each less excellent than its predecessor, before the rot finally sets in, and over several generations society becomes even more wicked and lax than it is today.  It was two hundred years from the Council of Trent until the French Revolution, after all.  Anyway, that's what I've got for a theory for now; I am interested in what you think of it.

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/catholic-and-counter-enlightenment-philosophy/msg142893/#msg142893

That quote is eerily similar to something I suspected recently about how we get from a Restoration to a falling away of the elect so quickly...

https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/heinertr-attacks-cmri/msg804480/#msg804480

Therein lies the temptation in this line of thought. It is a special form of pride where group A believes group B to be heretics, so group A must carry on the will of God as His chosen group. It's an insidious temptation that infects not only those making dogmatic statements of their own opinions, but a temptation all of us face as Traditional Catholics.

Tangent: This "pride of the chosen" is something I've been thinking about lately in context of the Last Days. As, after the promised Restoration of the Church, somehow a completely Catholic world will be deceived by the claims of the Antichrist to come. I believe that due to the laxity of our times, those who follow in this age of Restoration may birth a new Pharisaism. Not unlike the Babylonian Captivity, which, as a reaction, led the to the Pharisees of the Old Covenant. This kind of revived sanctimony may bring forth another, even worse, reactionary laxity that will be advantageous to the Antichrist.

We, as Traditional Catholics, need to tread carefully in esteeming ourselves too highly as a group.