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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Consecration LiveStream
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2022, 06:08:47 PM »
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    • I honestly wish that Bergoglio had made the consecration exactly as requested:

    1) consecrate just Russia
    2) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
    3) in reparation for the blasphemies committed against her
    4) ordering ALL the bishops of the world to make the consecration (under pain of deposition)

    THEN if nothing had happened, since for each of the above, we could have said "check, check, check, check", that would leave only one missing ingredient ... the pope.  That would demonstrate very clearly that he's no pope.
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #31 on: March 26, 2022, 07:23:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 26, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
    ordering ALL the bishops of the world to make the consecration (under pain of deposition)
    This would demonstrate he's a tyrant.
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #32 on: March 26, 2022, 07:34:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on March 26, 2022, 07:23:59 PM
    This would demonstrate he's a tyrant.

    Pope is the monarch of the Catholic Church, and he'd simply be following orders from Our Lady.  That's what a Pope would have to do to ensure that Our Lady's request is met.  99% of them would comply ... rather than lose their cushy offices.  All but 5-6 of the Latin Rite NO bishops need to be deposed and sent packing to monasteries anyway.
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #33 on: March 26, 2022, 08:02:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 26, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
    I honestly wish that Bergoglio had made the consecration exactly as requested:

    1) consecrate just Russia
    2) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
    3) in reparation for the blasphemies committed against her
    4) ordering ALL the bishops of the world to make the consecration (under pain of deposition)

    THEN if nothing had happened, since for each of the above, we could have said "check, check, check, check", that would leave only one missing ingredient ... the pope.  That would demonstrate very clearly that he's no pope.
    And this...


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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #34 on: March 26, 2022, 08:16:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 26, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
    I honestly wish that Bergoglio had made the consecration exactly as requested:

    1) consecrate just Russia
    2) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
    3) in reparation for the blasphemies committed against her
    4) ordering ALL the bishops of the world to make the consecration (under pain of deposition)

    THEN if nothing had happened, since for each of the above, we could have said "check, check, check, check", that would leave only one missing ingredient ... the pope.  That would demonstrate very clearly that he's no pope.
    Or, alternatively, that Fatima was a false apparition
    Or, that the Catholic faith is a sham

    I don't see that being the only outcome.
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #35 on: March 26, 2022, 10:30:08 PM »
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    • I can't imagine that the extras added to the Consecration, specifically to the glory of Mary (to include humanity, etc.) was a bad thing.  Mary did not dictate the text of the Consecration. Nor did She specifically request nothing else be added. It was an unusually holy moment that spanned the entire world. Maybe Francis is having a St. Peter conversion? Or he is just an egomaniac that hopes to recover some of his reputation?  Ok, wishful thinking. The only other thing I can figure is that God loves to confound everyone, even the most faithful Catholics. I know it isn't the popular position here, but I'm excited and hopeful and even if we undergo a chastisement for previous and current evils, (destruction of the economy so we can be humbled?) perhaps we get a lesser punishment than we expect.      
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    consecration of nation is "a practical rejection of […] religious liberty"
    « Reply #36 on: March 27, 2022, 10:12:31 PM »
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    • Fr. Couture, SSPX, makes a good point that the consecration of a nation is "a practical rejection of the doctrine of religious liberty" (30:52):
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #37 on: March 28, 2022, 07:54:44 PM »
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    • I hold the same interpretation as Pax on the St. Malachy prophesy.

    I also have a hypothesis about what happens after.

    In the Apocolypse, ch14, vs 6, Three angels make various declarations. The last angel warns against taking the mark of the beast.

    In the first few chapters of Revelation, the bishops of the seven churches are referred to as angels. I think the third angel is Peter the Roman condemning the mark in the last days of his papacy. Since all three declarations are like ultimatums, they are all probably in the decline of the period of peace.

    We also have the prophecy of Don Bosco about two popes who rally the Church to a decisive victory at the end of the world, and the prophecies that reference the angelic pastor who will work with the great monarch. There is probably some overlap amongst the various sources, but there should be at least three after the 5th age.
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    Re: consecration of nation is "a practical rejection of […] religious liberty"
    « Reply #38 on: March 28, 2022, 08:24:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on March 27, 2022, 10:12:31 PM
    Fr. Couture, SSPX, makes a good point that the consecration of a nation is "a practical rejection of the doctrine of religious liberty" (30:52):

    Of course it is.  That's not some kind of revelation.  Consequently, since Bergoglio's intention was to solicit the exact opposite, freedom and peace for the practice of all religions and a syncretistic harmony among all mankind, the SSPX was behooven and obliged to call this thing out for what it was instead of playing along and misleading the faithful that this was in keeping with Our Blessed Mother's request. Maybe Father Couture has a response to that?
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #39 on: March 28, 2022, 08:29:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on March 26, 2022, 10:30:08 PM
    I can't imagine that the extras added to the Consecration, specifically to the glory of Mary (to include humanity, etc.) was a bad thing.  Mary did not dictate the text of the Consecration. Nor did She specifically request nothing else be added. It was an unusually holy moment that spanned the entire world. Maybe Francis is having a St. Peter conversion? Or he is just an egomaniac that hopes to recover some of his reputation?  Ok, wishful thinking. The only other thing I can figure is that God loves to confound everyone, even the most faithful Catholics. I know it isn't the popular position here, but I'm excited and hopeful and even if we undergo a chastisement for previous and current evils, (destruction of the economy so we can be humbled?) perhaps we get a lesser punishment than we expect.     

    Please tell me you're kidding.  Bergoglio expressed in his formula the exact opposite of what Our Lady requested.  Please read Father Girouard's analysis.  There wasn't a single mention of reparation for the sins and blasphemies of mankind against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
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    Re: consecration of nation is "a practical rejection of […] religious liberty"
    « Reply #40 on: March 28, 2022, 08:51:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 28, 2022, 08:24:59 PM
    Of course it is.  That's not some kind of revelation.  Consequently, since Bergoglio's intention was to solicit the exact opposite, freedom and peace for the practice of all religions and a syncretistic harmony among all mankind, the SSPX was behooven and obliged to call this thing out for what it was instead of playing along and misleading the faithful that this was in keeping with Our Blessed Mother's request. Maybe Father Couture has a response to that?
    Interestingly enough, Louie V points out that the SSPX's alternative consecration prayer shows their hand a bit :laugh1::

    https://akacatholic.com/does-the-sspx-really-believe-that-bergoglio-is-pope/
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #41 on: March 28, 2022, 09:39:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 28, 2022, 08:29:00 PM
    Please tell me you're kidding.  Bergoglio expressed in his formula the exact opposite of what Our Lady requested.  Please read Father Girouard's analysis.  There wasn't a single mention of reparation for the sins and blasphemies of mankind against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
    No, I'm not kidding. If Bergoglio is somehow the legit pope (and we are all aware he is a modernist par excellence, utterly inept to lead the Catholic Church, a promoter of idolatry and heresy and everything else that we're all too painfully aware) the Consecration is valid. While he embellished where he did, and eliminated what he did, he actually included the bare bones requests of Our Lady in the Consecration. Matthew 18:18 comes to mind. "Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven." Of course, what was accomplished on the 25th of March was entirely God's doing and had little to do with Francis except he somehow managed to rally bishops of the world, something no other pope even attempted, spoke the specifics previous pope omitted, and did it in what appeared to be a reverent way.  I honestly didn't think Francis could escape the temptation to overtly add verses to his idols. But he did.  I didn't think the words "consecrate Russia to Mary's Immaculate Heart" would ever come out of his mouth.  But they did.  The only thing that could keep this from being effective is if Francis is not the pope.     
        
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    Re: Consecration LiveStream
    « Reply #42 on: March 29, 2022, 11:06:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on March 28, 2022, 09:39:28 PM
    If Bergoglio is somehow the legit pope […] the Consecration is valid.
    Even if he were merely a secular leader, would his consecration ipso facto have no good fruits?
    Cannot kings themselves consecrate their nations?
    For example, from The Story of Our Lady of Good Success and Novena:
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    President Garcia Moreno solemnly consecrated Ecuador to the Sacred Heart of Jesus on March 25, 1874, the feast of the Annunciation and of the Incarnation of the Word. It was the first country in the world to do this. A year afterwards, on August 6, 1875, Garcia Moreno was brutally αssαssιnαtҽd by Masonry in the Plaza of Quito, which is at the foot of the presidential palace and diagonally across from the convent of the Immaculate Conception.
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    Re: consecration of nation is "a practical rejection of […] religious liberty"
    « Reply #43 on: March 29, 2022, 11:20:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on March 28, 2022, 08:51:15 PM
    Interestingly enough, Louie V points out that the SSPX's alternative consecration prayer shows their hand a bit :laugh1::

    https://akacatholic.com/does-the-sspx-really-believe-that-bergoglio-is-pope/
    Louie has been spot on as of late.
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