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Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2022, 10:08:20 AM »
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  • Never did Francis or the Vatican state that this was the Fatima consecration of Russia (which they believe JPII did already), tradservatives are reading into it because it focuses on Russia and a NO hierarch is saying it in Fatima. As with most Roman edicts of apparent orthodoxy, they are "interpreting it in the light of tradition" or sifting it to suit their needs.

    When you have orthodox priests and bishops, such as +Jenkins and +Williamson calling it out as the worldly political move that it is.
    190,000%. This "consecration" has bunk written all over it. Always has been, always will be.
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #46 on: March 25, 2022, 10:17:23 AM »
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  • Never did Francis or the Vatican state that this was the Fatima consecration of Russia (which they believe JPII did already), tradservatives are reading into it because it focuses on Russia and a NO hierarch is saying it in Fatima. As with most Roman edicts of apparent orthodoxy, they are "interpreting it in the light of tradition" or sifting it to suit their needs.

    When you have orthodox priests and bishops, such as +Jenkins and +Williamson calling it out as the worldly political move that it is.

    I think Bergoglio strogly implied that he's simulating the consecration by sending a rep to Fatima to do it there.  Never explicitly said it, but I think the entire hope here is to dupe the entire world into believing the consecration requested by Our Lady of Fatima has been performed, once and for all, in union with all the bishops.  90% of the sheep don't know enough about Fatima to recognize why this one doesn't count either, just like the ones before it.  Chief criticism of prior consecrations, such as that by Pius XII, was that it wasn't done in union with all the bishops, so they're hoping to silence most of that crowd today.  They want to bury Fatima once and for all because the Third Secret exposes them.  They tried to silence it in 2000 when they allegedly released the Third Secret, but many people saw through the fraud there.


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #47 on: March 25, 2022, 11:36:42 AM »
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  • The Consecration will not be Accepted - Fr. Isaac Relyea 17mins

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BojSPZ5UyFXM/
     
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #48 on: March 25, 2022, 12:55:49 PM »
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  • The Consecration will not be Accepted - Fr. Isaac Relyea 17mins

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/BojSPZ5UyFXM/
     
    Father has strong words for the Fatima Center, of which he was once affiliated, for being neutral or wishy-washy on the faux consecration.  So sad how things slip when the founder of an organization passes away.  Fr. Gruner would have been quite clear that this is more of a political stunt and mockery of Our Lady of Fatima than the fulfillment of her wishes to consecrate Russia. 

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #49 on: March 25, 2022, 03:49:26 PM »
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  • Father has strong words for the Fatima Center, of which he was once affiliated, for being neutral or wishy-washy on the faux consecration.  So sad how things slip when the founder of an organization passes away.  Fr. Gruner would have been quite clear that this is more of a political stunt and mockery of Our Lady of Fatima than the fulfillment of her wishes to consecrate Russia.
    I was very happy that he said what he did about the Fatima Center.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #50 on: March 28, 2022, 04:21:30 PM »
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  • Here's another sede take on the whole Fatima/Third Secret controversy. This guy thinks that the "peace" already happened when Russia "converted" from being a Communist nation, I would think in reference to the fall of the Berlin wall. But, as many of us already know, the Berlin wall represented the mutual exchange of Communist ideals and Western degeneracy into both East and West at that time.

    Converted always means converted, as in, to the Catholic faith. I don't know what else Our Lady would mean by "converted" than that. To ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Western ideals? To Democracy? Of course not.

    https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2022/03/25/jumping-the-hurdles-of-fatima/
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #51 on: March 28, 2022, 04:55:11 PM »
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  • Here's another sede take on the whole Fatima/Third Secret controversy. This guy thinks that the "peace" already happened when Russia "converted" from being a Communist nation, I would think in reference to the fall of the Berlin wall. But, as many of us already know, the Berlin wall represented the mutual exchange of Communist ideals and Western degeneracy into both East and West at that time.

    Converted always means converted, as in, to the Catholic faith. I don't know what else Our Lady would mean by "converted" than that. To ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Western ideals? To Democracy? Of course not.

    https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/2022/03/25/jumping-the-hurdles-of-fatima/

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    The end result was that Russia converted out of Communism. The nations that were annihilated into the Soviet Union resumed their sovereignty. A certain period of peace came to those Catholics from their once persecution from the Communists. Russia did spread its errors to China where Catholics are persecuted to this very day.
    If this is the miraculous fruit of the consecration, it hardly seems worth all the hoopla.



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    The last hurdle is “In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be kept.” I don’t know what dogma that Our Lady is referring to. It would seem that she was referring to the whole Catholic Faith. Perhaps, “always be kept” simply means always kept from the Masonic government (which took over in 1910) trying to wipe it out completely and/or kept free from being outlawed as Communism did to it in Russia.
    Firstly, I have seen it reported from different sources that "In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be kept." is not a complete sentence. Therefore instead of a period it should have ... at the end.

    I think this is the root of the problem with trying to be faithful to the message of Fatima; we don't have the full message.


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #52 on: March 28, 2022, 08:08:26 PM »
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  • I found myself at an SSPX chapel back in 2009 where a battle ensued over saying Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit during the rosary.  The Holy Ghost people were adamant that God was disgusted with the term Holy Spirit because it stank of VII and therefore wouldn't hear the prayers of those saying it.  Some maintained that it was sacrilegious and others would shout "Holy Ghost" during the public rosary to drown out those who said Holy Spirit.  This thread reminds me of that.


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #53 on: March 28, 2022, 08:10:43 PM »
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  • I found myself at an SSPX chapel back in 2009 where a battle ensued over saying Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit during the rosary.  The Holy Ghost people were adamant that God was disgusted with the term Holy Spirit because it stank of VII and therefore wouldn't hear the prayers of those saying it.  Some maintained that it was sacrilegious and others would shout "Holy Ghost" during the public rosary to drown out those who said Holy Spirit.  This thread reminds me of that.

    I knew a guy, actually a Motarian, who was fretting over whether his child's Baptism was valid because the priest said Holy Spirit instead of Holy Ghost.  We've had entire threads on that particular subject, so let's not digress.

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #54 on: March 28, 2022, 08:17:51 PM »
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  • If this is the miraculous fruit of the consecration, it hardly seems worth all the hoopla.


    Firstly, I have seen it reported from different sources that "In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be kept." is not a complete sentence. Therefore instead of a period it should have ... at the end.

    I think this is the root of the problem with trying to be faithful to the message of Fatima; we don't have the full message.


    To your first point, the Secret was absolutely terrifying, so much so that Sister Lucia became physically ill trying to write it down.  There's much more to it.  It has to do with the Apostasy in the Church "starting from the top" (Cardinal Ciappi, who read it).  Western Intelligence concluded in 1974 (per Fr. Hesse) that the Communists had planted 3000 men / agents into the Church hierarchy by that time.  Bella Dodd, who was a Communist agent converted by Bishop Sheen, admitted to having planted about 1200 of them herself, and this was well before Vatican II, and stated that many of them had reached the higher parts of the hierarchy.  In 1958, the Communist agents within the Conclave ousted the legitimately elected Pope Gregory XVII (Siri) and placed Komrad Agent Roncalli on the See of Peter.  Montini was ratting out clandestine clergy behind the Iron Curtain, who were then arrested and/or executed.  While "pope" he publicly wore the Masonic "ephod of Caiaphas".  Wojtyla was hand-selected by the chief Commie official in Poland to become a bishop and was always suspected of being a Pax priest, a collaborator; while other Catholic clergy were under house arrest and/or being tortured, Wojtyla was on a worldwide lecture tour.  THIS is what's meant by Russia spreading her errors around the whole world, here into the very bosom of the Church.

    As for the dogma of the faith will ALWAYS be preserved, I hold that the translation (as in most Romance languages) means that it will be preserved continuously (or will continue to be preserved) ... UNTIL (the etc. part).  That's why the next part is truncated, since it clues into the main content of the Third Secret.  There's a subtle hint even there that this pertains to the "dogma of the Church".  We're not talking about simple heresy, but about "apostasy".

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #55 on: March 28, 2022, 08:43:15 PM »
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  • I found myself at an SSPX chapel back in 2009 where a battle ensued over saying Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit during the rosary.  The Holy Ghost people were adamant that God was disgusted with the term Holy Spirit because it stank of VII and therefore wouldn't hear the prayers of those saying it.  Some maintained that it was sacrilegious and others would shout "Holy Ghost" during the public rosary to drown out those who said Holy Spirit.  This thread reminds me of that.
    What a ridiculous thing to argue over. Diabolic disorientation anyone?

    Spiritus = spirit/soul
    Ghost = middle english gost = Old English gast = spirit/soul

    They literally mean the same thing.

    /subject.

    To your first point, the Secret was absolutely terrifying, so much so that Sister Lucia became physically ill trying to write it down.  There's much more to it.  It has to do with the Apostasy in the Church "starting from the top" (Cardinal Ciappi, who read it).  Western Intelligence concluded in 1974 (per Fr. Hesse) that the Communists had planted 3000 men / agents into the Church hierarchy by that time.  Bella Dodd, who was a Communist agent converted by Bishop Sheen, admitted to having planted about 1200 of them herself, and this was well before Vatican II, and stated that many of them had reached the higher parts of the hierarchy.  In 1958, the Communist agents within the Conclave ousted the legitimately elected Pope Gregory XVII (Siri) and placed Komrad Agent Roncalli on the See of Peter.  Montini was ratting out clandestine clergy behind the Iron Curtain, who were then arrested and/or executed.  While "pope" he publicly wore the Masonic "ephod of Caiaphas".  Wojtyla was hand-selected by the chief Commie official in Poland to become a bishop and was always suspected of being a Pax priest, a collaborator; while other Catholic clergy were under house arrest and/or being tortured, Wojtyla was on a worldwide lecture tour.  THIS is what's meant by Russia spreading her errors around the whole world, here into the very bosom of the Church.

    As for the dogma of the faith will ALWAYS be preserved, I hold that the translation (as in most Romance languages) means that it will be preserved continuously (or will continue to be preserved) ... UNTIL (the etc. part).  That's why the next part is truncated, since it clues into the main content of the Third Secret.  There's a subtle hint even there that this pertains to the "dogma of the Church".  We're not talking about simple heresy, but about "apostasy".
    I can't imagine any sedevacantist knowing that all of this went down, and then believing that somehow Russia "converted" from these errors when statues of Lenin, as well as his body, are still on display in Red Square in Moscow 2022.






    Given what we know about Putin's continuing Soviet sympathies, this is not a nation that has converted from Communism. Not at all. If that's the case, then China, too, has "converted" from their Maoist Communism into a Capitalist nation because they have a "free" market. Laughable.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #56 on: March 28, 2022, 09:53:02 PM »
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  • What a ridiculous thing to argue over. Diabolic disorientation anyone?

    Spiritus = spirit/soul
    Ghost = middle english gost = Old English gast = spirit/soul

    They literally mean the same thing.


    Another good reason why it is good if not downright preferable to learn how to pray in Latin.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #57 on: March 28, 2022, 10:20:31 PM »
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  • Another good reason why it is good if not downright preferable to learn how to pray in Latin.

    Lol Taylor Marshall made a snarky remark regarding the "consecration" prayer and how it would be convenient if the Church had a universal language She could use throughout all of her dioceses...oh wait! :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #58 on: March 28, 2022, 10:40:18 PM »
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  • I can't imagine any sedevacantist knowing that all of this went down, and then believing that somehow Russia "converted" from these errors when statues of Lenin, as well as his body, are still on display in Red Square in Moscow 2022.
    ...
    Given what we know about Putin's continuing Soviet sympathies, this is not a nation that has converted from Communism. Not at all. If that's the case, then China, too, has "converted" from their Maoist Communism into a Capitalist nation because they have a "free" market. Laughable.

    Well, the Dimonds are the chief proponents of the theory, and they have their own unque interpretation of the word "convert" but even with that definition it's highly debatable whether Russia actually "converted".

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    Re: Bergoglian Anti-Consecration
    « Reply #59 on: March 29, 2022, 08:45:37 AM »
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  • Well, the Dimonds are the chief proponents of the theory, and they have their own unque interpretation of the word "convert" but even with that definition it's highly debatable whether Russia actually "converted".
    It's funny that they grief Novus Ordites for believing that JPII did the consecration in a "good enough" manner, but then turn around and say that Pius XII did it in a "good enough" manner (like I did til recently) and that the continued existence of Communism on a global scale is somehow a "conversion".

    It's almost like absolutely no one knows what's going on anymore
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]