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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #240 on: January 06, 2023, 02:45:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 06, 2023, 01:05:32 PM
    What happens when a one decides to dump the True Religion instead or replace it with false worship and the like?  I guess their office is impounded or something?  Or maybe they receive a Thumbs-Down from the CathInfo water cooler crowd?

    I thought Lefebvre drew one of his lines in the sand just before the Apostasy at Assisi.
    If they die in that state then they will end up in hell. I guess whatever happens to their office happens without us having anything to say about it. Of course, us peons could quote theologians and etc. and insist they lost their office, but to what purpose? 

    And that's my whole point, what does it profit a anyone to insist the pope lost his office and that the seat is vacant, other than gaining the satisfaction (in your own mind) of being right? All doing that amounts to is nothing more than a worthless treasure. What am I missing?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #241 on: January 06, 2023, 03:12:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 06, 2023, 09:54:46 AM
    This still does not answer the question.


    I think it was Sean who posted a quote some time ago beautifully explaining all about una cuм, which agreed with +ABL saying that was not the meaning at all, because it's not.

    But again, forget about hypotheticals in this matter. I say this only because they do not apply in this matter.  The reason that they do not apply is because the conciliar popes were all elected according to the law established by popes themselves. Even Fr. Cakada (rip) agreed that according to the law, a heretic could indeed be elected pope and he was right. Either way you have got to stick with the law, that's why it's there. 

    Regardless of all that, it is the teaching of the Church that to omit the popes' name for whatever reason causes disunity and is an act of schism.

    What constantly amazes me is sedes ignore this Church teaching from a Church that cannot err, from a magisterium that is infallible, and from popes who cannot teach error.......I ask the reason for this and cannot get an answer.

    Preserving the Catholic Faith isn't a good enough reason? 


    And again, we are not talking about hypotheticals.

    This is reality.

    As a Catholic am I allowed to worship with non Catholics?

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship Allah? (VII) 

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship the Moshiach? (Benedict)

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship Pajamamama? (Francis)

    According to basic catechism, no.


    Fr Cekada stated that fear of a heretic getting elected is why Pope Innocent III and Pope Paul IV provided for that possibility.  Their statements make it clear these imposters are not popes.


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    Even popes have raised the possibility that a heretic could somehow end up on the throne of Peter. Pope Innocent III (1198–1216), one of the most forceful champions of papal authority in the history of the papacy, teaches:

    "Still less can the Roman Pontiff boast, for he can be judged by men — or rather, he can be shown to be judged, if he manifestly ‘loses his savor’ in heresy. For he who does not believe is already judged. [Sermo 4: In Consecratione PL 218:670.]

    During the time of the protestant revolt, Pope Paul IV (1555–1559), another vigorous defender of the rights of the papacy, suspected that one of the cardinals who stood a good — 6 — chance of being elected pope in the next conclave was a secret heretic. On 16 February 1559, therefore, he issued the Bull cuм ex Apostolatus Officio. "


    So yes, a secret heretic might be elected and when found out, the election would be void.

    We aren't dealing with secret heretics. 

    We are dealing with blatant public apostates before they were elected.

    These post Council elections were void from the get go.

    No consecration could take place because non Catholics are invalid matter.


    You're right.  The law says you cannot omit the pope's name.

    Well, there isn't a pope to name.




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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #242 on: January 06, 2023, 03:23:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 06, 2023, 11:48:39 AM
    It is a request of the litanies of the Saints, right? WE ASK TO KEEP THE POPE IN THE TRUE RELIGION. We ask that in the Litanies of the Saints! 

    Yes, that is to prevent them from falling into heresy and apostasy.  

    Too late.

    They already apostatized before they were elected.

    Therefore no election took place.


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #243 on: January 06, 2023, 03:44:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
    You're right.  The law says you cannot omit the pope's name.

    Well, there isn't a pope to name.

    Well, that certainly is convenient. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #244 on: January 06, 2023, 04:11:00 PM »
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    • Nomination of a man for pope, must be catholic. So, can a heretic be nominated? No. But if it should happen that a man is elected Pope, and we know by their fruits , the man is a heretic, then he is a heretic and not a pope.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #245 on: January 06, 2023, 04:27:59 PM »
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    • I don't know why there are certain people here who think that by quoting another obscure
    passage by Bellarmine for the millionth time is going to finally resolve the question of
    legitimacy regarding the VII papal claimants. 
    How more bloody obvious does it need to be that these men not only hate Catholicism but
    have intentionally tried to destroy it?
    Seriously, would the devil be doing ANYTHING differently through these men if his
    plan was to destroy the church?  
    In what way is the Novus Ordo sect not teaching and behaving as the whore of Babylon would?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #246 on: January 06, 2023, 04:46:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on January 06, 2023, 04:27:59 PM
    I don't know why there are certain people here who think that by quoting another obscure
    passage by Bellarmine for the millionth time is going to finally resolve the question of
    legitimacy regarding the VII papal claimants.
    How more bloody obvious does it need to be that these men not only hate Catholicism but
    have intentionally tried to destroy it?
    Seriously, would the devil be doing ANYTHING differently through these men if his
    plan was to destroy the church? 
    In what way is the Novus Ordo sect not teaching and behaving as the whore of Babylon would?

    And yet God allowed this to happen. Why, do you suppose? 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #247 on: January 06, 2023, 04:47:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 06, 2023, 03:44:24 PM
    Well, that certainly is convenient.

    I would argue that it's all very inconvenient actually.  Attending illegal chapels not sanctioned or recognized by the Catholic Church, or its canonized popes...  Yes, I'd say it's all very inconvenient.  
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #248 on: January 06, 2023, 04:56:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 06, 2023, 04:47:03 PM
    I would argue that it's all very inconvenient actually.  Attending illegal chapels not sanctioned or recognized by the Catholic Church, or its canonized popes...  Yes, I'd say it's all very inconvenient. 

    The entirety of the Crisis is definitely inconvenient. I agree. I was speaking to Miser about one aspect.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #249 on: January 06, 2023, 04:59:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 06, 2023, 04:56:16 PM
    The entirety of the Crisis is definitely inconvenient. I agree. I was speaking to Miser about one aspect.

    I agree, no doubt.  Apostates in white are the very reason we have a Crisis.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #250 on: January 06, 2023, 05:02:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 06, 2023, 04:59:51 PM
    I agree, no doubt.  Apostates in white are the very reason we have a Crisis.

    Not to mention that God allowed it to happen. The question is.....why?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #251 on: January 06, 2023, 05:14:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 06, 2023, 05:02:55 PM
    Not to mention that God allowed it to happen. The question is.....why?

    I'd say it's to make the distinction between the City of Man and the City of God all the more clear.  2000 years of Catholic history has been reduced to practical rubble in 50 years.  Folks in trad circles generally know why - Alta Vendita the plan, Modernist heresy the vehicle, etc.  It's the Ape Church spoken of by Fulton Sheen vs. the Catholic Church established by Christ.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #252 on: January 06, 2023, 05:25:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: MiracleOfTheSun on January 06, 2023, 05:14:13 PM
    I'd say it's to make the distinction between the City of Man and the City of God all the more clear.  2000 years of Catholic history has been reduced to practical rubble in 50 years.  Folks in trad circles generally know why - Alta Vendita the plan, Modernist heresy the vehicle, etc.  It's the Ape Church spoken of by Fulton Sheen vs. the Catholic Church established by Christ.

    The kergyma of Christ and then His apostles and successors made that crystal clear long ago.

    This is a punishment for many, a test for a few. Actually, I believe it is the last few lashes of it. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #253 on: January 07, 2023, 03:44:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 06, 2023, 05:02:55 PM

    Not to mention that God allowed it to happen. The question is.....why?

    Quote from: cassini on January 03, 2023, 06:12:53 AM
    Why did the Lord allow his vicars on Earth to teach error[?]

    Reply from Ladislaus:

    He didn't.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #254 on: January 07, 2023, 04:50:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
    Preserving the Catholic Faith isn't a good enough reason? 

    And again, we are not talking about hypotheticals.

    This is reality.
    That is not a reason at all. If that is the reason, then you are saying one of two things:
    1) "If the pope is the pope we cannot persevere in the faith."
    2) "We are only able to persevere in the faith because the Chair is vacant."

    Without confirmation from you, I refuse to believe this is what you are saying Miser.


    Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
    As a Catholic am I allowed to worship with non Catholics?

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship Allah? (VII) 

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship the Moshiach? (Benedict)

    Am I allowed to worship with those who worship Pajamamama? (Francis)

    According to basic catechism, no.
    These are fundamental Catholic truths, these do not answer how sedeism profits souls unto salvation or the purpose of sedeism. 


    Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 06, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
    Fr Cekada stated that fear of a heretic getting elected is why Pope Innocent III and Pope Paul IV provided for that possibility.  Their statements make it clear these imposters are not popes.

    [...]

    So yes, a secret heretic might be elected and when found out, the election would be void.

    We aren't dealing with secret heretics. 

    We are dealing with blatant public apostates before they were elected.

    These post Council elections were void from the get go.

    No consecration could take place because non Catholics are invalid matter.


    You're right.  The law says you cannot omit the pope's name.

    Well, there isn't a pope to name.
    No, Fr Cekada stated that *according to the law* a heretic could indeed be elected as the pope. No secrecy, no imposters - he said according to the law, and he was correct, and even if he never said it, that *is* the law. This means that there is a pope to name in the Mass and that non-una cuм breaks the law. And in the breaking of that law is the cause of disunity and is an act of schism - not according to me, according to Ex Quo, which means according to:

    1) The Church which is infallible
    2) The magisterium which is immune from error
    3) The law established and taught by true popes
    4) Popes who cannot teach error
    5) I could go on and on

    It fascinates me to hear that all of these infallible sources and  teachings are able to be rejected from us peons because peons ranging from old grannies to bishops, cling to their opinion that there is no pope while one sits right in the chair - according to the law. 

    But even more fascinating is that not one sede can give a clear answer as to what purpose sedeism serves and how it profits souls unto salvation. This in and of itself speaks volumes imo.
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