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Offline Giovanni Berto

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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #180 on: January 04, 2023, 10:55:40 AM »
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    • The Conciliar Hierarchy works in unsurprisingly similar fashion to the Freemasons and the Jєωs.

    They try to do the same thing in different ways. They win step by step. Fooling their enemies, making small progress, but always advancing to their final goal.

    You can see that the whole life of Benedict XVI was a work against Catholicism. He died and did not see the final victory (which won't happen), but he surely did his part, exactly like the Freemasons and the Jєωs. Their work is for decades, centuries, not merely years.

    I hope that he has repented before his death. :pray:

    It doesn't sound absurd to me that he didn't fully understand the evil of his actions.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #181 on: January 04, 2023, 11:13:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 04, 2023, 10:27:55 AM
    Ganswein's response above is very telling, as the comments you mentioned refer to. It Ganswein is correct, in that B16 wanted to draw Catholics away from Lefebvre, it could be that he was only trying to draw those who wanted the old mass, and who were not too concerned or fussy about the doctrinal problems that accompany the new mass and conciliar church.

    Interestingly, in 2023, this sorry description fits 90% of the faithful in the pews, and most of the branded clergy.

    PS: I wonder if +Fellay and the SSPX will consider Ganswein's comments "resistance garbage" (Since that is the ddefault reaction to any criticism of their ralliement)?"  :laugh2:
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #182 on: January 04, 2023, 12:58:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 11:13:08 AM
    Interestingly, in 2023, this sorry description fits 90% of the faithful in the pews, and most of the branded clergy.

    PS: I wonder if +Fellay and the SSPX will consider Ganswein's comments "resistance garbage" (Since that is the ddefault reaction to any criticism of their ralliement)?"  :laugh2:
    Even setting aside all other factors, there's an undeniable difference in the type of person to become a Priest during the post-V2 Revolution, acting against the world to preserve the Faith and those born into a comfortable situation who have never had to make those choices. In a sense, those of the early days were tried and proven, compared to the spirit of deadly agreeableness during wartime that seems prevalent now.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #183 on: January 04, 2023, 01:27:18 PM »
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    • In the recent Kansas interview with +Williamson on the deviations of the SSPX after the death of Lefebvre, he stated his belief that normally "Catholic truth" is welded to "Catholic authority," but since V2, the two have become unhinged, causing some Catholics to pursue authority, and others to side with truth.

    He believed that the personal magnetism, charisma, and pre-conciliar eminence and stature of Lefebvre was a 3rd artificial "magnet," which was strong enough to "attract" and hold some. 

    The excommunication did some damage to the authority aspect of the magnet of Lefebvre (i.e., in the minds of those whose following was predicated upon Lefebvre having retained conciliar authority), and his later death eliminated that magnet altogether, causing his sons and others to look elsewhere ("nature abhors a vaccuum"):

    It was back to a choice between truth and authority (the two still remaining unhinged, and there being no 3rd magnet capable of artificially holding both together artificially).

    Along these lines, it is an interesting fact that most bishops who convert to tradition only do so after they retire: Thuc, Vigano, Lazo (i.e., authority had a stronger hold on them than truth, otherwise they would have taken their respective positions before retirement).

    Others who were consecrated bishops while already in tradition frequently attempt to reconcile with conciliarism (or in fact do): Licinio Rangel, Fellay, de Mallerais, de Galaretta, Thuc (again).  For these, whether because of scruple or other reasons, truth started to lose its preeminence, and authority gained the upper hand..

    And still others only acccept consecration by the conciliar authorities: Rifan.  This is a complete preference for authority at the expense of truth.

    To date, only Lefebvre and de Casto Mayer persevered until the end without wavering.

    But this battle between maintaining equilibrium between the magnets of Catholic truth and Catholic authority (until they are reunited again in Rome) is where the battle is won or lost; it is where both conversion and defection occur. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #184 on: January 04, 2023, 03:32:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 09:19:16 AM
    See the interesting comments between Miguel and Anon on this subject under this article at The Remnant, alleging (correctly) that BXVI was merely playing the long game, and SP was designed to crush tradition:

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6322-archbishop-gaenswein-traditionis-custodes-broke-pope-benedict-s-heart

    They sure do have it in for the Resistance over there (they seem more opposed to it than to sedevacantism, probably because they blame it for sabotaging the 2012 sellout).

    I also think Michael has some kind of beef with me (?) -which is pretty pettty, if true-  because I oppose his unite the clans thing, whereas the new tame/branded SSPX has no longer any problem with tradcuмenism.  Could also be because they desperately want to believe the diocesan and PCED priests are doctrinally uncompromised, and I frequently remind them of all the compromises.

    Anyway, he (or his delegates) are now posting anti-resistance comments like this one, regarding Ganswein's comment that BXVI wanted to lure followers away from Lefebvre:

    "Yes, of course, this is the SSPX argument of 1989. The reality, however, turned out to be quite different. The Indult parishes boomed, the number of young seminarians who wanted to learn the TLM skyrocketed, and the FSSP exploded with disillusioned ex-Novus Catholics. And at the end of the day, Java Man's experience (se above) was how it was for tens of thousands of people. The SSPX expanded and a whole new generation of ex-Novus Ordo Catholics became traditional Catholic recruits for the FSSP/ICk. The Ecclesia Dei orders never went bi-ritual and held the line on doctrine. This is EXACTLY why Francis is shutting down the Latin Mass. The entire Ecclesia Dei experiment backfired. He knows it, we know it, and unless you're a pretty committed partisan of The Resistance, you know it too. Archbishop Lefebvre's resistance was the catalyst for it all, which is why Bishop Fellay was outspokenly supportive of Summorum Pontificuм, which brought the TLM back to the mainstream Church and fulfilled the conditions laid down by the SSPX -- that the TLM be freed FOR THE WHOLE CHURCH."
    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6322-archbishop-gaenswein-traditionis-custodes-broke-pope-benedict-s-heart

    I'm sure everyone here can unpack these comflated comments, so no point doing it, and if I were to try to do it over there, it would never be posted, so...
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #185 on: January 04, 2023, 03:45:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 AM
    More relevant now than ever. RIP Fr. Cekada

    I'm a bit confused about his notion that they permitted the Tridentine Mass in a tacit admission that the Conciliar "reforms" had failed.  Those "reforms" were calculated to destroy the Church, and so they succeeded probably beyond their imagination.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #186 on: January 04, 2023, 03:48:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 01:27:18 PM
    In the recent Kansas interview with +Williamson on the deviations of the SSPX after the death of Lefebvre, he stated his belief that normally "Catholic truth" is welded to "Catholic authority," but since V2, the two have become unhinged, causing some Catholics to pursue authority, and others to side with truth.

    That the "truth" could be substantially "unhinged" from legitimate papal "authority" is contrary to all the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #187 on: January 04, 2023, 03:54:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
    That the "truth" could be substantially "unhinged" from legitimate papal "authority" is contrary to all the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians.

    In which case one wonders why St. Paul, Athanasius, or Vincent would bother to warn us about it?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #188 on: January 04, 2023, 08:35:35 PM »
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    • Louie V on those spreading the rumor that Ratzinger banned Biden from his funeral
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #189 on: January 04, 2023, 09:07:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 03:54:03 PM
    In which case one wonders why St. Paul, Athanasius, or Vincent would bother to warn us about it?

    :facepalm:
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #190 on: January 04, 2023, 09:32:38 PM »
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    • St. Pius X on Kindness toward modernists:


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #191 on: January 04, 2023, 10:40:50 PM »
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    • Not sure how credible this is, but it's from the Chiesa Viva link posted by Miser on the other thread --
    http://www.chiesaviva.com/sacrifici%20umani/human%20sacrifices.pdf

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    In May 2013, Toos Nijenhuis, a Dutch woman, who had been forced for years by her father to take part in satanic rituals, testified that on several occasions, she saw Card. Ratzinger kill a girl in a castle in France. In the following October, another eyewitness confirmed what was said by Toos Nijenhuis, saying he had seen Card. Joseph Ratzinger kill a girl in the fall of 1987.
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    Among the dignitaries who participated in these human sacrifices, Toos Nijenhuis gives three names: the Dutch Cardinal, Bernard Alfrink, Card. Joseph Ratzinger and Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, founder of the Bilderberg Group.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #192 on: January 05, 2023, 05:05:54 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2023, 03:48:17 PM
    That the "truth" could be substantially "unhinged" from legitimate papal "authority" is contrary to all the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians.
    I was just having this conversation with a trad priest the other day who agreed that, it was because for centuries the Catholic world had highly virtuous and saintly popes that the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians taught what we might say was essentially "blind obedience." Back then, when the priest, bishop or pope issued a command, you obeyed it - period. But the main reason we obeyed was because for centuries there was no fear in obeying because the commands were recognizably Catholic. Hence, what reason would the Fathers teach anything other than what they taught? 

    But the Fathers et al were not prophets, they never foresaw these times. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #193 on: January 05, 2023, 08:57:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 05, 2023, 05:05:54 AM
    I was just having this conversation with a trad priest the other day who agreed that, it was because for centuries the Catholic world had highly virtuous and saintly popes that the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians taught what we might say was essentially "blind obedience." ...

    Ah, OK.  So it was just a fluke, a 1958-year string of good luck that we didn't have error taught to the Universal Church from the Chair of Peter and we just happened to luck out with a great Catholic Mass.  This had nothing to do with the Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church and the promises of Our Lord to guard the integrity of the faith through the Holy See.

    More and more your ecclesiology ceases to be recognizable as Catholic ... all in your desperate attempt to salvage the legitimacy of Jorge Bergoglio et al.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #194 on: January 05, 2023, 09:14:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on January 05, 2023, 05:05:54 AM
    I was just having this conversation with a trad priest the other day who agreed that, it was because for centuries the Catholic world had highly virtuous and saintly popes that the Fathers, Doctors, and pre-Vatican II theologians taught what we might say was essentially "blind obedience." Back then, when the priest, bishop or pope issued a command, you obeyed it - period. But the main reason we obeyed was because for centuries there was no fear in obeying because the commands were recognizably Catholic. Hence, what reason would the Fathers teach anything other than what they taught? 

    But the Fathers et al were not prophets, they never foresaw these times.

    The Church guided by God's Perfect Divine Providence DID foresee these times and told us exactly what to do.

    I got sidetracked from our conversation in the other thread, but here is a link to those quotes I posted plus several more:

    https://cmri.org/articles-on-the-traditional-catholic-faith/quotes-from-theologians-supporting-the-sedevacantist-position/

    There is no ambiguity there or here:

    Gal 1:8
    "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

    Plus we have the example of the Japanese Catholics and martyrs who lived without access to the Pope and even clergy for

    250 years!

    55 Catholics were martyred in Nagasaki on September 10, 1632, in what became known as the Great Genna Martyrdom. At this time Catholicism was officially outlawed. The Church remained without clergy and theological teaching disintegrated until the arrival of Western missionaries in the 19th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/26_Martyrs_of_Japan



    Plus it's all playing out as Sacred Scripture foretold with the Shepherd being struck and the sheep scattered, the grand delusion for those who love not the truth, the great apostasy, it will appear as if there is no more faith...unable to buy or sell coming our way...


    2 Thess 2:13
    [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.



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