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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #165 on: January 03, 2023, 09:53:51 AM »
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    • They will have him canonized very very soon. Probably before the end of this decade, considering a) the speed and b) the way every V2 pope has been canonized 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #166 on: January 03, 2023, 10:08:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Minnesota on January 03, 2023, 09:53:51 AM
    They will have him canonized very very soon. Probably before the end of this decade, considering a) the speed and b) the way every V2 pope has been canonized

    Yes, if they can forgive him for Summorum Pontificuм. Of course it's likely that B16 allowed the TLM only because he wanted to the SSPX on board the conciliar church, in order to control and stifle tradition. But still, most of the Modernists hate the TLM, especially Pope Francis. So this could be an impediment to his canonization. Just sayin'
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #167 on: January 03, 2023, 11:16:58 AM »
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #168 on: January 03, 2023, 11:18:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on January 03, 2023, 11:16:58 AM
    Here is how they are portraying Pope Benedict now;

    https://aleteia.org/2023/01/02/if-ratzinger-detested-anything-it-was-nonsense/?utm_campaign=EM-EN-Newsletter-Daily-&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sendgrid&utm_term=20230102

    He based his 'program of modernity' on reading the works of St Augustine.

     look forward to comments.
    Modernists always appeal to St. Augustine to support their heretical ideas. Just look at "theistic evolution" and their misinterpreted version of Augustine.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #169 on: January 03, 2023, 06:50:00 PM »
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    • Multiple Choice Test:

    Which is an example of Kabuki Theatre?

    A. 



    B. 

    https://rumble.com/v23mj3a-live-7pm-the-pope-is-dead.html

    C. Both A and B

    D. None of the above
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #170 on: January 03, 2023, 07:00:20 PM »
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    • I think Ann Barnhardt has been reading Cathinfo. She copied my quotes from John Daly:


    F.X. Wernz, P. Vidal: “Finally they cannot be numbered among the schismatics, who refuse to obey the Roman Pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumours in circulation.” (Ius Canonicuм, 7:398, 1943)
    Rev Ignatius Szal: “Nor is there any schism if one merely transgress a papal law for the reason that one considers it too difficult, or if one refuses obedience inasmuch as one suspects the person of the pope or the validity of his election, or if one resists him as the civil head of a state.” (Communication of Catholics with Schismatics, 1948)
    De Lugo: “Neither is someone a schismatic for denying his subjection to the Pontiff on the grounds that he has solidly founded [‘probabiliter’] doubts concerning the legitimacy of his election or his power [refers to Sanchez and Palao].” (Disp., De Virt. Fid. Div., disp xxv, sect iii, nn. 35-8)


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #171 on: January 03, 2023, 07:33:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on January 03, 2023, 06:12:53 AM
    Why did the Lord allow his vicars on Earth to teach error[?]

    He didn't.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #172 on: January 04, 2023, 08:08:10 AM »
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    • Brother Bugnolo's latest:

    Within a Month, the Catholic Church will have a new Roman Pontiff | From Rome

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    Thus, since Pope Benedict XVI never in fact renounced the petrine munus, which he was elected to receive in accord with express obligation of the Cardinals, in a conclave, specified in n. 53 of that same papal law,*  the College must convene. In this regard, there is now an attempt by some to impose an entirely false narrative upon the present circuмstances, not only as regards the completely non-factual assertions that Pope Benedict XVI has abdicated, or the attempt to signify that with the word “resignation” which does not exist in the Church’s juridical norms currently in force, but also to insist that this Papal Law be interpreted according to English common law, where the mere holding of power gives one a right. Contrariwise, in Church Law, which is based on Roman Law, the merely holding of power confers no right. Thus, the Cardinal electors, by the mere fact that they are the electors, have no right to alter the observance of the Law or chose not to fulfill it.  If they do, they would lose all right to elect the Roman Pontiff, and the Church would enter into an exception juridical situation, as regards the current norms, and the Apostolic Right of the faithful of the Church of Rome (Dioceses of Rome and the Suburbican Dioceses bordering it) revives, since as the prefatory letter of Pope John Paul II, affixed to the Papal Law, expressly affirms that the institution of the Conclave “is not necessary for the valid election of the Roman Pontiff.”

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #173 on: January 04, 2023, 08:18:29 AM »
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    • More relevant now than ever. RIP Fr. Cekada

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #174 on: January 04, 2023, 08:33:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2023, 10:08:55 AM
    Yes, if they can forgive him for Summorum Pontificuм. Of course it's likely that B16 allowed the TLM only because he wanted to the SSPX on board the conciliar church, in order to control and stifle tradition. But still, most of the Modernists hate the TLM, especially Pope Francis. So this could be an impediment to his canonization. Just sayin'

    That may have been very well his motive for his allowance of the TLM; only God knows. I do know that God has revealed in Scripture that he has used those to perform actions that He willed with them having a motivation that was not His: He willed the actions for His purposes and the His motives prevailed. I think, for example, of the Lord's use of the king of Assyria to punish Israel for violating His law (Isaiah 10), yet the motive of the Assyrian was pride and lust to conquer for personal glory, or, more positively, the working of the salvation of the human race through the Sanhedrin's most abominable act of deicide.

    Some of God's people found grace and salvation through these actions of Benedict in allowing the TLM and, I believe, in restoring the actual words of Christ in place of the false "for all" in the consecration of the wine in the Novus Ordo. To these positive workings of grace, the motive of Benedict is irrelevant - for us, if not for him. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #175 on: January 04, 2023, 09:19:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2023, 10:08:55 AM
    Yes, if they can forgive him for Summorum Pontificuм. Of course it's likely that B16 allowed the TLM only because he wanted to the SSPX on board the conciliar church, in order to control and stifle tradition. But still, most of the Modernists hate the TLM, especially Pope Francis. So this could be an impediment to his canonization. Just sayin'

    See the interesting comments between Miguel and Anon on this subject under this article at The Remnant, alleging (correctly) that BXVI was merely playing the long game, and SP was designed to crush tradition:

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6322-archbishop-gaenswein-traditionis-custodes-broke-pope-benedict-s-heart
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #176 on: January 04, 2023, 10:27:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 04, 2023, 09:19:16 AM
    See the interesting comments between Miguel and Anon on this subject under this article at The Remnant, alleging (correctly) that BXVI was merely playing the long game, and SP was designed to crush tradition:

    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6322-archbishop-gaenswein-traditionis-custodes-broke-pope-benedict-s-heart

    Those comments are good. 

    The short video that was included in the link was good. Here's an excerpt:

    Interviewer:

    "As Pope emeritus, he was around to see the promulgation of Pope Francis motu proprio Traditionis Custodes. Was he disappointed?"

    Ganswein:

    "It hit him pretty hard. I believe it broke Pope Benedict's heart to read the new motu proprio, because his intention had been to help those who simply found a home in the old Mass to find inner peace, to find liturgical peace, in order to draw them away from Lefebvre."

    Ganswein's response above is very telling, as the comments you mentioned refer to. It Ganswein is correct, in that B16 wanted to draw Catholics away from Lefebvre, it could be that he was only trying to draw those who wanted the old mass, and who were not too concerned or fussy about the doctrinal problems that accompany the new mass and conciliar church. It makes a certain amount of sense. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #177 on: January 04, 2023, 10:28:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on January 04, 2023, 08:33:13 AM
    That may have been very well his motive for his allowance of the TLM; only God knows. I do know that God has revealed in Scripture that he has used those to perform actions that He willed with them having a motivation that was not His: He willed the actions for His purposes and the His motives prevailed. I think, for example, of the Lord's use of the king of Assyria to punish Israel for violating His law (Isaiah 10), yet the motive of the Assyrian was pride and lust to conquer for personal glory, or, more positively, the working of the salvation of the human race through the Sanhedrin's most abominable act of deicide.

    Some of God's people found grace and salvation through these actions of Benedict in allowing the TLM and, I believe, in restoring the actual words of Christ in place of the false "for all" in the consecration of the wine in the Novus Ordo. To these positive workings of grace, the motive of Benedict is irrelevant - for us, if not for him.

    That's really good food for thought. I hadn't thought of it that way before. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #178 on: January 04, 2023, 10:36:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 04, 2023, 10:27:55 AM
    Those comments are good.

    The short video that was included in the link was good. Here's an excerpt:

    Interviewer:

    "As Pope emeritus, he was around to see the promulgation of Pope Francis motu proprio Traditionis Custodes. Was he disappointed?"

    Ganswein:

    "It hit him pretty hard. I believe it broke Pope Benedict's heart to read the new motu proprio, because his intention had been to help those who simply found a home in the old Mass to find inner peace, to find liturgical peace, in order to draw them away from Lefebvre."

    Ganswein's response above is very telling, as the comments you mentioned refer to. It Ganswein is correct, in that B16 wanted to draw Catholics away from Lefebvre, it could be that he was only trying to draw those who wanted the old mass, and who were not too concerned or fussy about the doctrinal problems that accompany the new mass and conciliar church. It makes a certain amount of sense.
    They never stop trying.

    From a sermon given by Fr. Wathen a day after +ABL consecrated the 4 bishops in 1988.....

    ..."the negotiations the archbishop and the officials in the Vatican had to do with the official Church giving him permission to perform these ordinations, and he eventually learned that the only reason that they were negotiating with him at all, was in order that they could get control through a commission, which they would establish to oversee his efforts and the efforts of his priests, to get control so that in due time they could completely nullify the whole enterprise..."
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #179 on: January 04, 2023, 10:46:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 04, 2023, 10:27:55 AM
    Those comments are good.

    The short video that was included in the link was good. Here's an excerpt:

    Interviewer:

    "As Pope emeritus, he was around to see the promulgation of Pope Francis motu proprio Traditionis Custodes. Was he disappointed?"

    Ganswein:

    "It hit him pretty hard. I believe it broke Pope Benedict's heart to read the new motu proprio, because his intention had been to help those who simply found a home in the old Mass to find inner peace, to find liturgical peace, in order to draw them away from Lefebvre."

    Ganswein's response above is very telling, as the comments you mentioned refer to. It Ganswein is correct, in that B16 wanted to draw Catholics away from Lefebvre, it could be that he was only trying to draw those who wanted the old mass, and who were not too concerned or fussy about the doctrinal problems that accompany the new mass and conciliar church. It makes a certain amount of sense.

    Thanks for this post.  Ganswein here admits precisely the theory I have held for a long time, that it was precisely in order to suck in the Trads that it was implemented.

    Bergoglio hinted at this in TC as well, saying that it's had the opposite effect, where Novus Ordites were becoming more Traditional rather than Traditional Catholics becoming more Novus Ordo.
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