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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2023, 12:39:13 AM »
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  • I'll say it again—the inordinate amount of fuss about votes is not an indicator that "trads" will be strong enough to withstand the persecutions ahead.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #121 on: January 01, 2023, 12:59:54 AM »
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  • I don't see how a person can spend over 50 years of their life spouting heresy after heresy, promoting pedophiles and freemasons, being completely passive to breathtaking amounts of corruption, to just say oops! sorry about all that Lord in their final hours.
    It requires a devotion to evil that you only find in the hearts of communist dictators and serial killers.
    Good points. 


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #122 on: January 01, 2023, 01:21:16 AM »
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  • Do I then need to become a blabber mouth to keep up with the high post count members just so I can down vote them more if they deserve it? Then I would likely also merit many down votes for so many useless posts.

    Let me stop you there.

    That's why I go by UPVOTES rather than POST COUNT.

    You need to re-read some of my posts explaining the system. I never said post count. The system looks at the Actor's UPVOTE COUNT and compares it with the Target's DOWNVOTE COUNT. Nowhere does it even look at the raw post count.

    Rather clever what I did there, eh? You only get upvotes for good, Catholic, quality posts. Posting a bunch of garbage won't get you any upvotes, hence no additional ability to downvote people.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #123 on: January 01, 2023, 09:45:36 AM »
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  • Now that Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) is dead, I note a hell of a lot of praise for him and his theology coming from different Catholic media. No doubt, soon he will be made a saint.

    The general advice is to be charitable and say nothing negative about this dead pope. Now if that is done, his modernism will not only be buried with him, but it will remain within the Modernist Church today. 

    The problem, as witnessed on this thread, is how to do our duty and expose those errors of his and modernism, while at the same time be charitable to the dead, that is, pray God will be merciful on his modernist soul. In other words, having spent a life being told if we do this or that, we will certainly go to hell, we can now pray that is not the case.

    As I said before, to be Catholic these days, with its rules and its and obligations is getting harder and harder. I have always had a problem with two Catholic orders, 'judge not' while at the same time 'know them by their fruits.' Were I an atheist I could claim to be a practicing Catholic is like a trap that you cannot avoid  doing the wrong thing.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #124 on: January 01, 2023, 09:56:21 AM »
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  • Maybe we can just give it a rest for a few days or a week (I've no idea how long is appropriate) out of respect for the office of the papacy that Benedict held. There's plenty of time to ruminate over his many errors and heresies. No one here is going to canonize Benedict. At least I don't think so. I think that most here are already aware of the problems with Benedict. The mainstream Catholic and even Indult media are likely to only see the good stuff. Nothing new there. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #125 on: January 01, 2023, 06:58:13 PM »
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  • Let me stop you there.

    That's why I go by UPVOTES rather than POST COUNT.

    You need to re-read some of my posts explaining the system. I never said post count. The system looks at the Actor's UPVOTE COUNT and compares it with the Target's DOWNVOTE COUNT. Nowhere does it even look at the raw post count.

    Rather clever what I did there, eh? You only get upvotes for good, Catholic, quality posts. Posting a bunch of garbage won't get you any upvotes, hence no additional ability to downvote people.
    Yeah, I misread/misunderstood regarding posts vs votes, I think the math you were using had thoroughly confused me, but then I suck at math. Something about the difference between 100(up?) and 10,000(down?) votes, 10,100? and 13% would be 1313, so I could give you over a thousand downvotes? Something was never explained right, or I'm just a dummy. But, aside from my initial mistake regarding the post count thing, do you get my point?

    There was a forum I was a part of years ago that seemed to have no way for me to like or dislike posts, I never thought of it anyway, but there was still a reputation system that showed some new members quickly rack up bad rep, and others good. I assume members with sufficient privileges were rating the newer members. That solves the problem of new members messing up the reputation of others, but allows for them to reach a point when they are trusted with repping even the senior members, which are not perfect either.


    Getting back on topic, I wonder how social media these days would influence the beatification of Benedict, or how it would have affected the beatification of JPII since it is so easy to spread information far and wide very quickly that, much of the evidence against beatification could be brought up to the point it must be addressed. Even the MSM occasionally focuses on a "conspiracy theory" or "misinformation" because it is becoming too much of a threat, but that just advertises the info all the more. Would that lead to many more conversions if the allegations of heresy and their proofs were brought to light as just part of the regular reporting on a canonization process, so that people will see just how bad the recent popes have been?
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #126 on: January 01, 2023, 07:17:59 PM »
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  • In today's sermon, Fr. Hewko makes interesting comments about the death of BXVI:






































































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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #127 on: January 01, 2023, 07:30:26 PM »
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  • Now that Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) is dead, I note a hell of a lot of praise for him and his theology coming from different Catholic media. No doubt, soon he will be made a saint.

    The general advice is to be charitable and say nothing negative about this dead pope. Now if that is done, his modernism will not only be buried with him, but it will remain within the Modernist Church today.

    That's not what I said, for what it's worth.

    I said give it a few days! Out of respect for the dead, if nothing else. For reasons of human decency, politeness, social mores, etc.

    Then you can engage in controversy to oppose any currents or campaigns to canonize him.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #128 on: January 02, 2023, 10:13:27 AM »
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  • Bishop Joseph Pfeiffer on Ratzinger's death:

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #129 on: January 02, 2023, 11:08:22 AM »
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  • Public Service Announcement: There is a good chance "bishop" Fr. Pfeiffer's consecration was invalid. We have video evidence to that effect. Fr. Pfeiffer saying, "Oh, we fixed it up later. Trust me." isn't good enough to remove the doubts that were proven by video evidence. The "fix" needs to be as visible/solid/public as the original flawed ceremony, to remove these doubts.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #130 on: January 02, 2023, 11:51:05 AM »
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  • Public Service Announcement: There is a good chance "bishop" Fr. Pfeiffer's consecration was invalid. We have video evidence to that effect. Fr. Pfeiffer saying, "Oh, we fixed it up later. Trust me." isn't good enough to remove the doubts that were proven by video evidence. The "fix" needs to be as visible/solid/public as the original flawed ceremony, to remove these doubts.

    Yes, knowledgeable priests have concurred that the first one, the one we have on video, is invalid ... not doubtful, but outright invalid.  But even if you don't agree, the fact that some priests have said this would at least render it highly doubtful.

    But here's why I can't take +?Pfeiffer's word for the validity of "Take 2", which evidently happened the next day after people alerted them to the problems with the first attempt.  After this first attempt, +?Pfeiffer insisted that the first one was valid, and that assessment calls into question his assessment of the subsequent attempt, and we have ... to date ... only his word for it, that a second one was performed and that the second one was valid.


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #131 on: January 02, 2023, 12:11:35 PM »
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  • Cucks with Aquinas weighing in
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #132 on: January 02, 2023, 12:24:38 PM »
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  • I apologize if I offended some here with my comments about Ratzinger.  As I watched the videos about his heresies, and also those of JP2, as I watched them fraternizing with non-Catholics, where they perhaps believed that they were being "nice" and "kind" to these non-Catholics, I came to the realization that this notion of needing to be "nithe" (as Bishop Williamson pronounces nice when he's mocking the notion) is PRECISELY the problem here, confusing emotional kindness with true charity.

    Is it true charity to tell these people that their false religions are great, that they don't need to convert, and their false religions are means of salvation for them, etc.?  No greater lack of charity can be shown to these people.  Hey, let's be nice to them, make them "feel" good emotionally, but meanwhile we're contributing to their damnation by telling them they don't need to convert.  Sometimes "nithe"-ness is directly contrary to actual charity.  Ratzinger and Wojtyla were not being charitable but downright uncharitable to these souls, despite on the outside making them "feel" good about themselves.  Those who are in sin and in error need to feel BAD and uncomfortable about where they are.  But that's because they don't actually believe that they need to convert ... and this betrays their completely heretical ecclesiology.

    Every time that a true Catholic pope had a chance to speak to non-Catholics, he should remind them that they cannot be saved outside the Church, and plead for them to enter the Church.  THAT is true charity.

    And the same thing holds even if someone has recently passed away.  Often this niceness can be contrary to charity.  If I were around when Luther had just passed away, I'm not going to start saying nice or kind things about Luther ... lest one give the impression that, "maybe he wasn't all that bad" and that his heresies might be acceptable.

    Unfortunately, it's the same thing with Ratzinger.  I had actually forgotten how bad his heresies were.  I tend to be very lenient in terms of saying we need to go with the most charitable interpretation of things, that if something could be interpreted in an orthodox sense, we should give the benefit of the doubt.  But there was only ONE heresy that the Dimonds cited that COULD conceivably be spun in a non-heretical way ... and the rest were obvious and clear cut.  And the Dimonds cited an interesting teaching from a Pope (I think it was a Boniface), who said that when there are ambiguities, Catholics are required to hold the purveyors of these ambiguities accountable as if they intended the heretical sense, and not to let them get away with it.

    With Ratzinger, however, there was no ambiguity in his heresies.

    I am filled with pity for Joseph Ratzinger, and I have prayed fervently for his salvation ... but this doesn't mean I'm going to start praising him now that he's dead.  Though the Bennyvacantists are in total denial, Joseph Ratzinger was no friend of Tradition, and his heresies make those of Bergoglio pale in comparison.  I had forgotten how bad they were until I re-watched that old video.  Even Bishop Tissier said that they were worse than those of Luther.  In a sense, Ratzinger did more harm to the faith, as did Wojtyla, precisely because they managed to fool a lot of people into believing that they were friends of Tradition, Wojtyla a great defender of Catholic moral theology (while doing nothing about it), and Ratzinger a friend of the Latin Mass (and speaking in Latin).  These two put on a good show, but Bergoglio is just brazen about it, and the Bennyvacantists are duped by all this into thinking that Bergoglio is a much greater evil than Ratzinger was.  No, quite the contrary, if you listen to the conservative Novus Ordites on EWTN, some of them are rock solid about 90% of Catholic doctrine ... but they immediately fall apart (into heresy) when they start talking about our "separated brethren" and wax into serious religious indifferentism.  That's because they were duped by the "holiness" of St. John Paul II the Great into accepting Wojtyla's doctrine, and there was never a greater purveyor of religious indifferentism in the history of the Church than Karol Wojtyla.  Had the religious indifferentism started with someone as brazen as Bergoglio, Catholics would simply have rejected it.  But because Wojtyla put his poison into a spoonful of sugar, they swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

    And my comment about the sodomy were a satirical rejection of the assertion that Ratzinger had no clue about the sodomite mafia entrenched in the Vatican.  He was a lot of things, but he wasn't stupid ... having been at the center of the Vatican since his appointment in 1982.  There's no way that 30 years later he was shocked by these things that had been "hidden" from him.  If nothing else, he'd have heard all this stuff through the gossip mill that is undoubtedly active in the Vatican.  Even the two Vatican analysists rejected this notion, saying that there was nothing there that should have surprised him.

    This idea promoted by the Bennyvacantists that the Crisis in the Church can be reduced to the pontificate of Jorge Bergoglio is the height of absurdity, that all this evil and error are merely the result of a badly worded resignation attempt by Joseph Ratzinger.  As Cardinal Kasper stated, there's no substantial difference between the theology of Bergoglio and that of Ratzinger.  In fact, Ratzinger's heresies make those of Bergoglio look tame.  Bergoglio's Pachamama episode absolutely pales in comparison to Wojtyla's activities, where infidels were literally venerating a Buddha statue that had been placed on top of an emptied tabernacle, displacing Our Lord God.

    Bennyvacantists think that they hold "the key" to this Crisis ... and it's utterly absurd, and their claims have to be blown out of the water with ferocity.  Ann Barnhardt's video about the Bergoglio Antipapacy has to be one of the worst and sloppiest things I've ever seen, and yet she arrogantly asserts that it's THE solution and derides Traditional Catholics and their view on the Crisis.  Barnhardt needs to be silenced and put in her place.  If I have some time, I'll go through her video with an analysis.  It's goes from bad to worse the entire time.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #133 on: January 02, 2023, 12:25:44 PM »
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    :laugh1: ... maybe a couple fewer pints and they could actually think clearly about Catholic theology.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #134 on: January 02, 2023, 12:29:12 PM »
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    Hey, cucks, Shame on anyone who asserts that this Whore of Babylon is in fact the Holy Catholic Church, the bride of Christ.

    I defy the cucks to watch the Dimond Brothers' video on the Heresies of Joseph Ratzinger and defend in from the standpoint of Catholic theology.  But, now, they won't look at it.  I sent the video to Barnhardt and, very politely asked her to look at it to realize that Joseph Ratzinger was part of the problem, not of the solution, but she'll never watch it, or if any of them do watch, it'll be ...