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Offline BernardoGui

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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2022, 09:42:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 31, 2022, 09:31:04 AM
    That sounds like the "did he have a choice with respect to his resignation?".

    We always have a choice.  And if he converted and repented, he would refuse to participate in the NO.  They were also reporting he was "lucid and alert".  Of course, we don't know if the reports are accurate.
    It's an incredible cope when Bennycantists contend Ratzinger didn't have a choice to resign or was somehow shielded from what was going on right under his nose or got bad advice when it came to the horrendous appointments he made or the crap E Michael Jones peddles, explaining Benny's German guilt from the h0Ɩ0h0αx colored his position on the joos.
    You would need to have a Mr. Magoo level of blindness to stumble through life like that
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #31 on: December 31, 2022, 09:48:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on December 31, 2022, 09:42:35 AM
    It's an incredible cope when Bennycantists contend Ratzinger didn't have a choice to resign or was somehow shielded from what was going on right under his nose or got bad advice when it came to the horrendous appointments he made or the crap E Michael Jones peddles, explaining Benny's German guilt from the h0Ɩ0h0αx colored his position on the joos.
    You would need to have a Mr. Magoo level of blindness to stumble through life like that

    I think his resignation had to do with not being able to bring the SSPX on board the conciliar church (well, at least not officially). He gave his resignation, what, six weeks or so after the SSPX announcement that they would not reconcile with Rome? I also think that he, at the last minute, intentionally put a wrench in the works by giving a stipulation to an agreement that the SSPX could not meet. It might seem like a minor reason for wanting to resign, but someone may have been blackmailing him. Just a theory.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #32 on: December 31, 2022, 09:52:54 AM »
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #33 on: December 31, 2022, 09:56:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on December 31, 2022, 09:22:49 AM
    I think the protection of the Church by the Holy Ghost through the Papacy is intrinsic to the office, is it not? Where did I hear that pre-Vll, seminarians were taught that any Pope who might promote or teach a heresy would be killed on the spot? (by the Holy Ghost) I forgot where I heard it but know this is true
    That seems a little bit different

    I’m wondering what the mechanics of this are

    i get a negative protection.  As in God essentially saying “if this man would deign to use his free will to utter a heresy, I will kill him rather than permitting it”.

    im less sure exactly how becoming a pope would change someone’s heart since again, elevation to the papacy itself isn’t a sacrament.  Why would being made a pope suddenly make a heretic orthodox?

    again, I’m not making an assertion, I’m just wondering 


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #34 on: December 31, 2022, 10:05:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 31, 2022, 05:24:17 AM
    1. May God have mercy on him, and let perpetual light shine upon him. I wish him no evil.

    2. Will all the Bennyvacantists go sedevacantist?
    Friends of mine have already done so at the news of his death. If they hold such a belief, it would follow that they should seek out a priest/mass that is not 'una cuм,' recognizing or at least giving the benefit of the doubt, of Francis occupying the See of Rome. Indult, FSSP, SSPX, SSPX Resistance, Independent, (et al)masses are not consistent with this position. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #35 on: December 31, 2022, 10:09:33 AM »
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    • The buddy of Rahner and the poster child for Vatican II is no more for this world.  Obviously, we ask that he was given the light to convert, and that mercy was given to his soul.

    But it is hilarious for all the folks who chided me (not here) for being a sede when they embraced Bennyism.  Are we back to Frannyism?  Or is it now sedevacantism?  Aaaaaaaagh!  Cognitive Dissonance of the 1st Order.

    To quote Sean from that different thread - 'Sede harder!' folks.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #36 on: December 31, 2022, 10:20:02 AM »
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    • I think the primary cause of ++Ratzinger’s abdication was that just a few days prior, he announced he was convening a special synod to investigate charges of widespread pedophilia and Satanism in the Vatican.

    This is also when Vatileaks arose, and A Vatican butler was jailed for stealing incriminating docuмents.

    Getting rid of “the Rat” was the fαɢs’ #1 priority, and Jorge was their man.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #37 on: December 31, 2022, 10:25:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2022, 09:52:54 AM

    Yeah...and watch the Bennvacantists suddenly believe Bergoglio is a true pope when he does.
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #38 on: December 31, 2022, 10:34:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: BernardoGui on December 31, 2022, 08:23:57 AM
    I don't see how a person can spend over 50 years of their life spouting heresy after heresy, promoting pedophiles and freemasons, being completely passive to breathtaking amounts of corruption, to just say oops! sorry about all that Lord in their final hours.
    It requires a devotion to evil that you only find in the hearts of communist dictators and serial killers.

    While I agree with a lot of what your saying here Bernardo, I do not believe this is the time to make comments like this and you are throwing out the possibility of Benedict being forgiven of his sins even at the hour of his death. Just be careful.

    And my people, upon whom my name is called, being converted, shall make supplication to me, and seek out my face, and do penance for their most wicked ways: then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sins and will heal their land.

    - 2 Paralipomenon 7:14 DRB
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #39 on: December 31, 2022, 10:36:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 31, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
    I think the primary cause of ++Ratzinger’s abdication was that just a few days prior, he announced he was convening a special synod to investigate charges of widespread pedophilia and Satanism in the Vatican.

    This is also when Vatileaks arose, and A Vatican butler was jailed for stealing incriminating docuмents.

    Getting rid of “the Rat” was the fαɢs’ #1 priority, and Jorge was their man.

    Can you provide more detail of this? I do recall the Vatileaks issue, but don't remember that he was convening a special synod to investigate charges of widespread pedophilia and satanism in the Vatican. If true, that would certainly be reason for giving his resignation, assuming that he was perhaps being threatened for potentially exposing these things. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #40 on: December 31, 2022, 10:43:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on December 31, 2022, 10:36:58 AM
    Can you provide more detail of this? I do recall the Vatileaks issue, but don't remember that he was convening a special synod to investigate charges of widespread pedophilia and satanism in the Vatican. If true, that would certainly be reason for giving his resignation, assuming that he was perhaps being threatened for potentially exposing these things.

    Fishing right now, but here’s a start:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS271665718420121003 

    That’s just a few months before the resignation.

    Will dig up more later (CI threads on the resignation may also be fertile ground on this topic).
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #41 on: December 31, 2022, 10:48:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 31, 2022, 10:43:57 AM
    Fishing right now, but here’s a start:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS271665718420121003

    That’s just a few months before the resignation.

    Will dig up more later (CI threads on the resignation may also be fertile ground on this topic).

    Okay, thanks. 
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #42 on: December 31, 2022, 10:50:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 31, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
    I think the primary cause of ++Ratzinger’s abdication was that just a few days prior, he announced he was convening a special synod to investigate charges of widespread pedophilia and Satanism in the Vatican.

    This is also when Vatileaks arose, and A Vatican butler was jailed for stealing incriminating docuмents.

    Getting rid of “the Rat” was the fαɢs’ #1 priority, and Jorge was their man.
    That's funny, when you consider Ratzinger promoted most of these wicked men
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #43 on: December 31, 2022, 11:01:42 AM »
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    • There is evidence that Pope Benedict tried to deal with the problem of pedophile priests during his papacy. I remember reading about this at the time, at various news sources:

    400 priests laicized in 2 years under Benedict XVI, AP learns | News Headlines | Catholic Culture

    Pope Benedict defrocked nearly 400 priests over two years for molesting children: docuмent – New York Daily News (nydailynews.com)
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #44 on: December 31, 2022, 11:08:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on December 31, 2022, 09:52:54 AM

    Twitter is a mess. So many people trying to canonize him while decrying those pointing out that he was no better than Francis (probably worse)
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