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Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
« Reply #135 on: January 02, 2023, 12:32:28 PM »
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  • That's not what I said, for what it's worth.

    I said give it a few days! Out of respect for the dead, if nothing else. For reasons of human decency, politeness, social mores, etc.

    Then you can engage in controversy to oppose any currents or campaigns to canonize him.

    Well, if it weren't for the Bennyvacantist nonsense, I probably would not have too much to say about Ratzinger, since he'd be largely irrelevant now.

    But the praise of Ratzinger's theology and attempting to paint him as a Traditionalist simply cannot be left to stand.

    It's not like I personally know Ratzinger's family.  He was a public person who did much damage in public to the Church and to Catholic doctrine ... while some continue to praise him as some great defender of the faith.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #136 on: January 02, 2023, 12:33:09 PM »
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #137 on: January 02, 2023, 12:34:29 PM »
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  • Waiting for days or weeks to reveal the the lifetime of heresy Ratzinger espoused and used his considerable power as head of the CDF and Papal Pretender to propagate, seems to destroy the opportunity to reach millions of those who only receive information from Opus Judei controlled outlets and others who are going full defense mode already.

    Where is the Charity toward God or the souls of our neighbors if we stay silent while every NO conservative with any media presence or influence spins every possible narrative to pre-empt the truth about the late Ratzinger? News cycles move so fast that waiting too long simply means most people have stopped paying attention and caring, and return to their default position.
    If the world is against the Truth, then I am against the World. - St. Athanasius
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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #138 on: January 02, 2023, 12:36:28 PM »
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  • :laugh1: ... maybe a couple fewer pints and they could actually think clearly about Catholic theology.
    Or maybe a few more.........:confused:

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #139 on: January 02, 2023, 01:17:52 PM »
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  • Bishop Joseph Pfeiffer on Ratzinger's death:

    Well, for the most part he's not wrong ... except where he says Ratzinger was the Holy Father :laugh1:.  He didn't go into much detail about the actual heresies that Ratzinger himself taught and promoted that betray this idea that he was some kind of Traditionalist.  I agree with his assessment that the "friendliness" of Ratzinger toward Tradition was calculated to divide Traditional Catholics.  I also agree with him in both asking for God to have mercy on his soul and yet calling out his legacy of evil.  Is it possible that right now, evoking some of the images from his talk, Ratzinger is asking God to have +Lefebvre dip his finger in the water to bring him some relief?  Is it possible that right now Ratzinger is asking if he could return to warn others of his errors, only to have God respond that they have the teaching and the Tradition of the Church, and if they do not listen to those, they will not listen to Ratzinger returned from the dead either.

    There were a couple of curiosities here, however.  He asserts that Ratzinger made a deal with Bergoglio in 2005 conclave, where Ratzinger came out on top and Bergoglio was the runner-up, that Ratzinger would be pope for a few years, then resign, then Bergoglio would be pope for a few years, then resign ... all to weaken the papacy and make it something more like a political office.  Is there evidence for this?

    Second curiosity is his assertion that Ratzinger sent infiltrators into the seminary at Econe in 1986 and that 9 of them were discovered and expelled.  Is this true and what is the evidence for it? 


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #140 on: January 02, 2023, 01:20:33 PM »
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  • Waiting for days or weeks to reveal the the lifetime of heresy Ratzinger espoused and used his considerable power as head of the CDF and Papal Pretender to propagate, seems to destroy the opportunity to reach millions of those who only receive information from Opus Judei controlled outlets and others who are going full defense mode already.

    Where is the Charity toward God or the souls of our neighbors if we stay silent while every NO conservative with any media presence or influence spins every possible narrative to pre-empt the truth about the late Ratzinger? News cycles move so fast that waiting too long simply means most people have stopped paying attention and caring, and return to their default position.

    Right.  Again, of course, this would probably be irrelevant now that he hasn't been in occupation of the Holy See for 10 years ... except for that pesky Bennyvacantist movement that is likewise dividing Traditional Catholics by claiming that Ratzinger was some great defender of the faith.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #141 on: January 02, 2023, 01:24:28 PM »
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  • Waiting for days or weeks to reveal the the lifetime of heresy Ratzinger espoused and used his considerable power as head of the CDF and Papal Pretender to propagate, seems to destroy the opportunity to reach millions of those who only receive information from Opus Judei controlled outlets and others who are going full defense mode already.

    Where is the Charity toward God or the souls of our neighbors if we stay silent while every NO conservative with any media presence or influence spins every possible narrative to pre-empt the truth about the late Ratzinger? News cycles move so fast that waiting too long simply means most people have stopped paying attention and caring, and return to their default position.

    Are you willing to go to all of those websites and tell them all about Benendict's heresies? And are you willing that tell them that he wasn't really a pope at all? That would be the brave thing to do, for a sedevacantist. On the other hand, it's much easier to talk about the problems with B16 here, where you won't get too much opposition.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #142 on: January 02, 2023, 02:32:58 PM »
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  • Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s last words before he died Saturday were, “Lord, I love you.” according to his longtime secretary.

    Source: NY Post


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #143 on: January 02, 2023, 04:03:52 PM »
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  • Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s last words before he died Saturday were, “Lord, I love you.” according to his longtime secretary.

    Source: NY Post



    For his sake, that gives a little hope of perfect contrition.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #144 on: January 02, 2023, 04:13:20 PM »
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  • Isn't holding and professing the Catholic Faith a prerequisite for perfect contrition? 

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #145 on: January 02, 2023, 04:40:47 PM »
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  • Isn't holding and professing the Catholic Faith a prerequisite for perfect contrition?
    I believe so, yes. That's why I said a "little hope". Since he lived privately for the past decade or so, it's impossible for me to say whether or not he repented of his errors.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #146 on: January 02, 2023, 06:06:37 PM »
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  • :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #147 on: January 02, 2023, 06:17:16 PM »
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  • I believe so, yes. That's why I said a "little hope". Since he lived privately for the past decade or so, it's impossible for me to say whether or not he repented of his errors.

    Thank you. Let’s face it, the guy was rotten. With his numerous false teachings he led MANY souls to Hell. Sorry to offend his supporters, but the man wasn’t a Catholic. He was a pertinacious manifest heretic. There, I said it! It is very very very unlikely that he repented and was saved.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #148 on: January 02, 2023, 06:49:36 PM »
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  • Are you willing to go to all of those websites and tell them all about Benendict's heresies? And are you willing that tell them that he wasn't really a pope at all? That would be the brave thing to do, for a sedevacantist. On the other hand, it's much easier to talk about the problems with B16 here, where you won't get too much opposition.

    I've actually tried.  I've written Ann Barnhardt twice (no, these were not vitriolic or nasty letters, but very polite and respectful), to Taylor Marshall, to Patrick Madrid, and various others, as well as to Father Ripperger on another issue.  I've also written the Dimond Brothers.  Of all these, only the Dimond Brothers responded ... although they did excoriate me for my errors.

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    Re: Benedict XVI dead at 95
    « Reply #149 on: January 02, 2023, 06:51:09 PM »
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  • I've actually tried.  I've written Ann Barnhardt twice (no, these were not vitriolic or nasty letters, but very polite and respectful), to Taylor Marshall, to Patrick Madrid, and various others, as well as to Father Ripperger on another issue.  I've also written the Dimond Brothers.  Of all these, only the Dimond Brothers responded ... although they did excoriate me for my errors.

    I would love to see that letter. 😂
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?