Author Topic: Autobiography of Archbishop Thuc (Read 154967 times)

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #251 on:** May 25, 2026, 05:16:37 PM »

Witholding intention casts doubt over his whole line.

You can't hand wave all that away because you're in love with him.

Persto · « **Reply #252 on:** May 25, 2026, 05:42:54 PM »

Fr. De Salvo, echoing Pope Leo’s teaching, assures us that “[a]s long as the lack of proper intention is not externally manifested, the Church presumes that the intention of the minister is correct.”154 Thus, the only thing that could overthrow the Church’s presumption of the sufficiency of the intention is evidence that is manifested externally in the very administration of the sacrament.

The Code of Canon Law later promulgated by Pope Benedict XV in 1917, teaches no differently:
It is never presumed that a minister, in carrying out an ordination, had . . . an intention of not ordaining, as long as the contrary be not proved, both because no one is presumed wicked, unless it be proved, and because an act, especially [one] so solemn as is an ordination, must be considered valid as long as invalidity be not irresistibly proved. 155

WorldsAway · « **Reply #253 on:** May 25, 2026, 05:45:44 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on May 25, 2026, 05:16:37 PM

Witholding intention casts doubt over his whole line.

You can't hand wave all that away because you're in love with him.

The Angelus' hit piece has already been deboonked

Firsthand account of Abp. Thuc denying the claims made in it has been posted a number of times

Your first post regarding Abp. Thuc looks to have been made on Oct. 26 of last year. You've been obsessively posting about him since then. Almost 1200 of your 1355 posts have been made since that date. You are unwell

Persto · « **Reply #254 on:** May 25, 2026, 08:04:25 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_La_Vang
https://crossworks.holycross.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1131&context=jgc

Statue of Our Lady of La Vang at La Vang Basilica
Our Lady of La Vang
Marian devotion in Vietnam dates back to the missionaries of the early 1600's. La Vang is situated in the central part of Vietnam, in Qua’ ng Tri˙ Province, about 80 miles north of Hue, the former capital, where Emperor Ca’nh Thinh during the Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam, organized a wide scale persecution of Catholics in 1798 (1792–1802).

Many Catholics were imprisoned, tortured, and killed during this time, and their churches were destroyed. During this persecution, a group of Catholics fled to the jungles of La Vang, in the central region of Vietnam. They lived in hiding, praying and practicing their faith in secret. Soon thereafter however, many became very ill. While hiding in the jungle, the community gathered every night at the foot of a tree to pray the rosary.

One night, as they gathered to pray the Rosary, they saw in the branches of the tree, a beautiful woman dressed in traditional Vietnamese clothing, holding a baby in her arms with 2 angels beside her. She appeared to them several times, bringing them comfort and encouragement in their time of need. She said, "My children, what you have asked of me, I have granted you, and henceforth, whoever will come here to pray to me, I will listen to them.” They said that Our Lady told them to boil leaves from the trees for medicine to cure the illness.

The Catholics recognized the woman as the Virgin Mary, and they began to venerate her as Our Lady of La Vang. They built a small shrine in her honor, and word of their sightings spread throughout the region. Soon, other Catholics began making pilgrimages to the jungle to pray at the shrine, seeking the intercession of Our Lady of La Vang for their own needs. Over time, the persecution of Catholics in Vietnam subsided, and the shrine of Our Lady of La Vang became a symbol of hope and perseverance for the Vietnamese people.

Legend states that the term "La Vang" was a derivative of the Vietnamese word meaning "crying out". Another hypothesis is that La Vang is distorted from the toponym Lá Vằng, lá meaning leaf and vằng meaning Jasminum nervosum, a tree species whose leaves are used to made a tisane; according to an ancient practice, a location was sometimes named after a prominent local species of plant or animal.

In 1802 the Catholics returned to their villages, passing on the story of the apparition in La Vang and its message. As the story of the apparition spread, many came to pray at this site and to offer incense. In 1820, a chapel was built.
From 1830 to 1885 another wave of persecutions decimated the Catholic population, during the height of which the chapel in honor of Our Lady of La Vang was destroyed. In 1886, construction on a new chapel began. Following its completion, Bishop Gaspar Loc consecrated the chapel in honor of Our Lady Help of Christians in 1901. The first national pilgrimage to the shrine of La Vang was in 1928. Since then, the La Vang festival has been organized every three years

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