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Author Topic: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?  (Read 9523 times)

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Offline Struthio

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2020, 09:07:13 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on July 27, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
Supposedly the big problem with the SV position is that 60 years is too long.

One thing is the theoretical question, the other the practical situation. Concerning the latter: less problematic is the question of valid orders, more problematic the question of valid and God pleasing (non sacrilegous) orders. Orders without mandate are sacrilegous = theft.

Without an apostolically authorized hierarchy everyone has to make his own mind up about these questions.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2020, 09:27:09 PM »
Quote from: XavierSem on July 27, 2020, 08:24:43 AM
Point IV: Therefore, the See of St. Peter Cannot Be Vacant Indefinitely.

Point V: Therefore, it is heretical, and contrary to St. Peter’s perpetual successors, to hold to indefinite sedevacantism. It is necessary to renounce the error and to come out of it.

Thus, the Church cannot exist indefinitely once those bishops appointed by the last pope die.


The 1P5 author seems to completely ignore the fact that apostolic succession will have an end. It's not going on indefinitely. Our Lord will return, and there won't be any more successors of the bishops including the Roman bishop. The Church exists indefinitely, but the militant Church will end. The job of the bishops will be obsolete like marriage will be obsolete.
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Offline Struthio

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2020, 09:31:53 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on July 27, 2020, 09:07:13 PM
Without an apostolically authorized hierarchy everyone has to make his own mind up about these questions.

And with a putative apostolically authorized hierarchy, R&R folks make up their own mind about these questions, too.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2020, 09:36:12 PM »
None of you people have any business pronouncing upon these matters.

Your mental inventions are like watching the leaves flutter as I blow my driveway.

Good heavens, when did you lose your minds???
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Offline Stanley N

Re: Asking Sedevacantists: A Church without Popes Forever?
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2020, 09:45:18 PM »
Quote from: Struthio on July 27, 2020, 09:07:13 PM
Without an apostolically authorized hierarchy everyone has to make his own mind up about these questions.
Alexander VI led an immoral life, had several illegitimate children and gave his daughter an annulment. Shortly after, Leo X put the church in debt and gave indulgences for "donations". Many criticized him, including a certain monk in Germany. 

These popes were scandals to the Catholic world, yet they remained the heads of the church, and those who separated from them ceased to be Catholic.

So how can you come to the definitive conclusion there is no hierarchy?
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