Author Topic: Are Novus Ordo Baptisms Valid? (Read 5030 times)

Matto · « **on:** February 10, 2017, 04:25:35 PM »

This idea came up and I wondered about it. Do you think Novus Ordo Baptisms are valid? It seems in my general experience most trads consider Novus Ordo Baptisms to be valid unless the priest changed the words during the ceremony. But I am aware that some sedevacantists doubt the validity of Novus Ordo Baptisms and conditionally Baptize converts from the Novus Ordo, but I do not think this is common. It seems like it is common for trads to doubt the validity of Novus Ordo Communion and Confession and Holy Orders and Confirmation and Extreme Unction but not Baptism. What do you think?

Arvinger · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:32:26 PM »

If the Trinitarian formula is used and the priest intends to do what the Church does I don't see how could the NO baptism be invalid. And since the majority of sedes believe in BoD for unconverted Muslims, Jews etc., according to their logic a person with invalid baptism would surely receive BoD :wink:.

I know there is a book arguing invalidity of the new rite of baptism by Patrick Pollock (never heard of him except for that book, apparently even sedes hardly heard of him - http://sedevacantist.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1684), but I have never read it.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:33:09 PM »

I think along the same line of thinking as you said. I did find out in my case though that even though I had a NO baptism, I was baptized by a priest ordained in the old rite.

Arvinger · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:38:04 PM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos

I was baptized by a priest ordained in the old rite.

It is not really relevant, since anyone can validly baptize - it does not have to be a priest. Even an atheist or a pagan can validly baptize if the proper formula is used and he intends to do what the Church does.

Even the Dimonds do not question validity of the Novus Ordo baptism.

Cantarella · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2017, 04:53:12 PM »

Only four Sacraments in the Novus Ordo are dubious. Namely, Confirmation, Eucharist, Extreme Unction, and Holy Orders.

Because the essentials have not changed in the sacrament of Baptism, Penance, and Matrimony, there is no reason to doubt their validity.