Is the Conciliar Church a new religion that's alien to the Catholic religion? If not, then they had better get their posteriors back into subjection to the Vicar of Christ (and then work like all the Motu groups from within the Church to effect change regarding these fallible mistakes), since there's no salvation outside of subjection to the Roman Pontiff. If so (and +Lefebvre asserted that the Conciliar Church lacks the marks/notes of the Catholic Church), then this has crossed over from a problem of infallibility into one of indefectibility, which they then deny, and therefore gut the foundations of Catholicism.
Ladislaus, this argument you keep repeating, it refuses the necessary distinctions that our Holy Catholic Faith requires us to make.
Obviously, we remain the true subjects of the Vicar of Christ, and we remain in the Church. You don't have to refuse the authority (declare the see vacant) of the one who is abusing his authority, in order to be a true subject, to the contrary. It is as simple as the distinction between true and false obedience. The fact that so many have been deceived does not allow you to take down the authority, it is not a numbers game. Just because the danger of this Pope is so great that we have to remove ourselves from his midst, does not mean we have the authority to depose him.
Archbishop Lefebvre, please note, also understood that the Conciliar Church and the Catholic Church are mysteriously interwoven making the situation much more complex than you want to believe.
On the question of being subject to the Vicar of Christ, here is my response to a family member who made this claim:
"We declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." (Unam Sanctam, Pope Boniface VIII)...Archbishop Lefebvre, the SSPX, and the Resistance, teach the opposite.
You would evidently have us believe that these words require a Catholic always to blindly do the personal will of the reigning Pope and
slavishly obey him in all things regardless of what he commands, being secure in the knowledge that he can thereby be certain of doing the Will of God. You extrapolate from this to deduce that the Pope could therefore never command anything sinful, let alone against the Faith. Your logic continues, that if he does command something sinful
he cannot be Pope, or ceases to be Pope. Is this Catholic doctrine?
What does it mean, to be subject to the Roman Pontiff?
"If the faith were endangered,
a subject ought to rebuke his prelate even publicly. Hence
Paul, who was Peter's (the Pope's!) subject, rebuked him in public on account of the imminent danger of scandal concerning faith" -
St Thomas Aquinas,
S Th IIa IIae Q33 A4 ad2 Is St Thomas in error?
Children are commanded by God and the law of nature to be subject to their parents: "Children", says St Paul, "obey your parents
in all things, for that is pleasing to the Lord" - Col 3:20
The Holy Ghost bids servants be subject to their masters: "Servants,
be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward" - I Peter 2:18.
Immediately before this, St Peter admonishes us all: "
Be ye subject therefore to
every human creature for God's sake; whether it be to the king as excelling, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of the good. For so is the
will of God... as free and not as making liberty a cloak for malice, but as the servants of God" - I Peter 2:13-16
And again, St Paul addressing us all: "Let everyone
be subject to higher authorities: for there exists
no authority but from God... therefore
he that resisteth the authority, resisteth the ordinance of God. And
they that resist purchase to themselves damnation" - Rom 13:1-2
Now how could the Lord God command us to obey all authorities in all things and not to resist them, since to do so would be to resist God himself, under threat of eternal damnation?
Obviously,
that is not the meaning of the Word of God. We must understand words in the sense they are meant, according to our Catholic Faith, and according to true obedience. The Holy Ghost doesn't specify the exceptions:
"unless the authority commands you to do something contrary to the law of God, in which case you are duty-bound to resist". Nor does the Holy Ghost, nor our Holy Catholic Faith, nor our common sense, tell us that by so commanding the authority ceases to exist. Our parents are still our parents, worthy of our honour and respect; the king is still the king, worthy of our honour and respect; the priest is still a man of God, worth of our honour and respect; the Pope is still the Pope, worthy of our honour and respect. Not on account of their unworthy words or deeds are they worthy of our honour, but because of Whom they represent in the
office they hold. We remain their subjects, but we must "resist them to their face" if need be, respectfully and humbly, in order not to make "liberty a cloak for malice" and to "obey God rather than men".
To take the words of Pope Boniface VIII in
Unam Sanctam to mean that a Catholic must obey a Pope in all things, or that a Pope can never command something sinful that ought to be resisted, or that he can never teach heresy outside the confines of his Infallibility is a monstrous error. It is not what the words say, it is not what the words mean, and it is not what the Church teaches.
We are subjects of our civil rulers. They have authority from God, and on that account we show them respect and follow their directives when they do not conflict with the law of God. If they pass a wicked law, we resist them, but
they nonetheless retain their authority and we remain their subjects. So it is with the Pope.
A true subject is not one who practices a servile obedience towards his superior, but one who uses his God-given intellect and will to practice the virtue of true obedience. Any understanding of these magisterial teachings contrary to that is simply not Catholic.