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Online AnthonyPadua

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Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2023, 02:32:19 AM »
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  • What's with all the camera angles? Does he have a production team or something?

    Online AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #31 on: September 09, 2023, 02:40:18 AM »
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  • Hogwash from yet another grifter who (he admits here) makes his living off his media channel(s).  Yeah, it's orthodox solidly Catholic individuals like Father Altman who "harm the body of Christ" ... not Jorge Bergoglio who has done nothing but cause division and chaos.  If Jorge is the pope, then there's absolutely no point being a Catholic ... might as well be an Old Catholic or Eastern Orthodox at that point, since the promises of Christ for the Church and for the papacy mean absolutely nothing.  In fact, some of you are in fact little more than slightly-repackaged Old Catholics.
    If there is one thing the dimonds do well, it's exposing these trad grifters.


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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #32 on: September 09, 2023, 03:18:58 AM »
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  • I think Yeti gets that.  I just think he's trying to pinpoint when Fr Altman/Fr Dix date their interregnum.  Do they say it starts when Benny resigned or died (which would make them Bennyvacantists)? Or is there some date that they think Bergoglio lost the papacy (vs never had it)?

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #33 on: September 09, 2023, 03:23:12 AM »
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  • Hopefully it's just a first step for him.

    Unfortunately, he thinks ultra-montanism is a heresy (which is not, for people who don't know).
    Do you have a reference for this? If he truly thinks that UM is a heresy, I have absolutely no use for him.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #34 on: September 09, 2023, 03:24:15 AM »
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  • What's with all the camera angles? Does he have a production team or something?

    Yeah, that bothers me too.
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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #35 on: September 09, 2023, 07:14:45 PM »
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  • Subject line, merely ‘Altman’

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #36 on: September 09, 2023, 07:28:22 PM »
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  • And we must pray for our enemies. May they convert back to the Catholic Faith. 
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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #37 on: September 10, 2023, 01:58:26 AM »
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  • Br Peter did a reaction video. He calls out the inconsistency with Altman. That the v2 'popes' are not saints, that JP2 also taught the same stuff as Francis and also mentions the issues with Ben16.



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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #38 on: September 10, 2023, 06:59:25 AM »
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  • I keep thinking of that prophecy from Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
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    By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.

    Jorge was "elected" in early 2013, so shortly after 2012 had passed, while legitimate authority hasn't been restored yet, no one can deny that Jorge is exposing the schism and bringing that to light where it had been hidden in the shadows with his Conciliar predecessors.

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #39 on: September 10, 2023, 08:53:42 AM »
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  • Hogwash from yet another grifter who (he admits here) makes his living off his media channel(s).  Yeah, it's orthodox solidly Catholic individuals like Father Altman who "harm the body of Christ" ... not Jorge Bergoglio who has done nothing but cause division and chaos.  If Jorge is the pope, then there's absolutely no point being a Catholic ... might as well be an Old Catholic or Eastern Orthodox at that point, since the promises of Christ for the Church and for the papacy mean absolutely nothing.  In fact, some of you are in fact little more than slightly-repackaged Old Catholics.

    It bothers me too that Lofton makes his living from media channels. There are just so many of these guys who do that.

    I think the reason that Lofton believes that Fr. Altman harms the body of Christ is specifically because of Sedevacantism, of which Lofton himself is a former adherent. If I recall correctly, he said that there's only one place left to go from sedevacantism, and that's to leave the Catholic Faith altogether.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #40 on: September 10, 2023, 09:11:27 AM »
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  • I think the reason that Lofton believes that Fr. Altman harms the body of Christ is specifically because of Sedevacantism, of which Lofton himself is a former adherent. If I recall correctly, he said that there's only one place left to go from sedevacantism, and that's to leave the Catholic Faith altogether.

    :laugh1: If Lofton WAS an adherent of SV, but is so no longer, then by his own logic the only place he could have gone is....to have left the Faith altogether!  Utter nonsense, obviously. :sleep:
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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #41 on: September 10, 2023, 09:16:05 AM »
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  • :laugh1: If Lofton WAS an adherent of SV, but is so no longer, then by his own logic the only place he could have gone is....to have left the Faith altogether!  Utter nonsense, obviously. :sleep:

    Well, perhaps he thinks of himself as an exception? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #42 on: September 10, 2023, 12:03:58 PM »
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  • Well, perhaps he thinks of himself as an exception?

    Which is of the essence of humility, of course! :fryingpan:

     Or, perhaps it is a good indicator that his extreme conclusion on the matter cannot be taken seriously.  We ALL know something is radically wrong in Rome and has been since before most of use were born.  Otherwise, none of us would be in Traddieland.  SV is a perfectly rational take, even if one disagrees with it.  Those who believe SV is non-Catholic, schismatic, etc (or who think the same about SSPX-ers, et alii) are part of the problem and just embracing the dogmatic version of whatever flavor of Traddieland gels best with them (for now).
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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #43 on: September 10, 2023, 12:09:17 PM »
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  • Just wondering...

    How many of you have met Fr. Altman or heard him speak in person?  I have met him, heard him speak and shared a meal in a small group setting.  Pretty good man.  Is he still learning, progressing, etc?  Yes, but that is pretty normal for all of us who were not raised going to Trad chapels.  Be patient; sheathe thy sword.
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    Re: Altman: Bergoglio is not the Pope
    « Reply #44 on: September 10, 2023, 12:44:30 PM »
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  • Which is of the essence of humility, of course! :fryingpan:

     Or, perhaps it is a good indicator that his extreme conclusion on the matter cannot be taken seriously.  We ALL know something is radically wrong in Rome and has been since before most of use were born.  Otherwise, none of us would be in Traddieland.  SV is a perfectly rational take, even if one disagrees with it.  Those who believe SV is non-Catholic, schismatic, etc (or who think the same about SSPX-ers, et alii) are part of the problem and just embracing the dogmatic version of whatever flavor of Traddieland gels best with them (for now).

    I, for one, never indicated that this James Lofton is humble. But that doesn't mean that he cannot make a few good points, as well as some wrong ones. The Dimonds do the same, and they of course are far from humble. Humility isn't really a sedevacantist virtue. 

    I don't agree that SV is rational. Nor, on the other hand, do I believe that it's schismatic, but it can lead to schism. Therin lies the problem, IMO.

    In doing more research on James Lofton, it seems that he is a fan of Siscoe and Salza. Not surprising, given his view of things sedevacantist. But that doesn't mean that I write him off altogether.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29