Fr. Altman is putting the so-called Resistance clergy to shame because of their refusal to unambiguously and publicly acknowledge what is evident, that is, that Jorge Bergoglio is not the pope of the Catholic Church. He is, rather, the "pope" of the Conciliar Church.Everything that Francis does explicitly, Benedict did implicitly. Yet you condemn Francis, while accepting Benedict. The point being, the crisis in the Church is confusing. There's no reason to "shame" anyone on the papal question.
Everything that Francis does explicitly, Benedict did implicitly. Yet you condemn Francis, while accepting Benedict. The point being, the crisis in the Church is confusing. There's no reason to "shame" anyone on the papal question.Yet there is a cult like lie that sspx spreads about those doing the heavy lifting in the fight against imposter shepherds.
In a tweet on Twitter (now “X”), Fr. Dave Nix responds to an accusation of “Sedevacantist” against Fr. James Altman. He states, rather, that Fr. Altman can be described as an “Interregnumist”. Ha ha! Good one, Father!You know very well that word [sedevacantist] carries the connotation of believing no Pope since 1958 - Fr. Dave Nix
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Everything that Francis does explicitly, Benedict did implicitly. Yet you condemn Francis, while accepting Benedict. The point being, the crisis in the Church is confusing. There's no reason to "shame" anyone on the papal question.
You know very well that word [sedevacantist] carries the connotation of believing no Pope since 1958 - Fr. Dave Nix.
Oh, the horror! :laugh1:
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I'm confused. So is he a bennyvacantist? If he thinks we are in an interregnum, when does he think the interregnum began?
I found this refutation of Fr. Altman's sedevacantist stance. This guy is an ex-sedevacantist, so he's studied the issues. Not that I agree with everything he says, but he's right about a lot of things.
Apart from moral theology abominations of Bergoglio, there's no heresy related to dogmatic theology that can't be found in the "teachings" of Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger. So by the same criteria that were articulated by Father Altman in the OP video, Jorge's Conciliar predecessors are also "not Pope"s.I think Yeti gets that. I just think he's trying to pinpoint when Fr Altman/Fr Dix date their interregnum. Do they say it starts when Benny resigned or died (which would make them Bennyvacantists)? Or is there some date that they think Bergoglio lost the papacy (vs never had it)?
I think Yeti gets that. I just think he's trying to pinpoint when Fr Altman/Fr Dix date their interregnum. Do they say it starts when Benny resigned or died (which would make them Bennyvacantists)? Or is there some date that they think Bergoglio lost the papacy (vs never had it)?
Off topic: I just have to say that today marks my 10th anniversary on CathInfo....Wowser.
Off topic: I just have to say that today marks my 10th anniversary on CathInfo....Wowser..
.Thanks Yeti! 😎 Your profile says when you joined.
Congratulations, Vermont!! I don't remember when I joined; I think it was in 2018.
We must pray for Fr. Altman. He must know at this point that his own ordination is suspect. He was ordained by "Bp. Listecki???" in 2008. His priesthood is a train wreck from this vantage point. The whole "Pope Francis" question is one thing, but his own NO priesthood should be uppermost in his mind right now.
.Happy anniversary, 2V.
Congratulations, Vermont!! I don't remember when I joined; I think it was in 2018.
Apart from moral theology abominations of Bergoglio, there's no heresy related to dogmatic theology that can't be found in the "teachings" of Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger. So by the same criteria that were articulated by Father Altman in the OP video, Jorge's Conciliar predecessors are also "not Pope"s.Hopefully it's just a first step for him.
Sorry Meg, maybe you can't see or understand that you are defending pedo's and anti-christs.Meg will see it eventually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg6xOMzZ9DsWhat's with all the camera angles? Does he have a production team or something?
Hogwash from yet another grifter who (he admits here) makes his living off his media channel(s). Yeah, it's orthodox solidly Catholic individuals like Father Altman who "harm the body of Christ" ... not Jorge Bergoglio who has done nothing but cause division and chaos. If Jorge is the pope, then there's absolutely no point being a Catholic ... might as well be an Old Catholic or Eastern Orthodox at that point, since the promises of Christ for the Church and for the papacy mean absolutely nothing. In fact, some of you are in fact little more than slightly-repackaged Old Catholics.If there is one thing the dimonds do well, it's exposing these trad grifters.
I think Yeti gets that. I just think he's trying to pinpoint when Fr Altman/Fr Dix date their interregnum. Do they say it starts when Benny resigned or died (which would make them Bennyvacantists)? Or is there some date that they think Bergoglio lost the papacy (vs never had it)?
Off topic: I just have to say that today marks my 10th anniversary on CathInfo....Wowser.
Hopefully it's just a first step for him.Do you have a reference for this? If he truly thinks that UM is a heresy, I have absolutely no use for him.
Unfortunately, he thinks ultra-montanism is a heresy (which is not, for people who don't know).
What's with all the camera angles? Does he have a production team or something?
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
Hogwash from yet another grifter who (he admits here) makes his living off his media channel(s). Yeah, it's orthodox solidly Catholic individuals like Father Altman who "harm the body of Christ" ... not Jorge Bergoglio who has done nothing but cause division and chaos. If Jorge is the pope, then there's absolutely no point being a Catholic ... might as well be an Old Catholic or Eastern Orthodox at that point, since the promises of Christ for the Church and for the papacy mean absolutely nothing. In fact, some of you are in fact little more than slightly-repackaged Old Catholics.
I think the reason that Lofton believes that Fr. Altman harms the body of Christ is specifically because of Sedevacantism, of which Lofton himself is a former adherent. If I recall correctly, he said that there's only one place left to go from sedevacantism, and that's to leave the Catholic Faith altogether.
:laugh1: If Lofton WAS an adherent of SV, but is so no longer, then by his own logic the only place he could have gone is....to have left the Faith altogether! Utter nonsense, obviously. :sleep:
Well, perhaps he thinks of himself as an exception?
Which is of the essence of humility, of course! :fryingpan:
Or, perhaps it is a good indicator that his extreme conclusion on the matter cannot be taken seriously. We ALL know something is radically wrong in Rome and has been since before most of use were born. Otherwise, none of us would be in Traddieland. SV is a perfectly rational take, even if one disagrees with it. Those who believe SV is non-Catholic, schismatic, etc (or who think the same about SSPX-ers, et alii) are part of the problem and just embracing the dogmatic version of whatever flavor of Traddieland gels best with them (for now).
I keep thinking of that prophecy from Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
Jorge was "elected" in early 2013, so shortly after 2012 had passed, while legitimate authority hasn't been restored yet, no one can deny that Jorge is exposing the schism and bringing that to light where it had been hidden in the shadows with his Conciliar predecessors.
21 And it came to pass in the twelfth year of our captivity, in the tenth month, in the fifth day of the month, that there came to me one that was fled from Jerusalem, saying: The city is laid waste.
11 For thus saith the Lord God: Behold I myself will seek my sheep, and will visit them. 12 As the shepherd visiteth his flock in the day when he shall be in the midst of his sheep that were scattered, so will I visit my sheep, and will deliver them out of all the places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and will gather them out of the countries, and will bring them to their own land: and I will feed them in the mountains of Israel, by the rivers, and in all the habitations of the land. 14 I will feed them in the most fruitful pastures, and their pastures shall be in the high mountains of Israel: there shall they rest on the green grass, and be fed in fat pastures upon the mountains of Israel. 15 I will feed my sheep: and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord God.16 I will seek that which was lost: and that which was driven away, I will bring again: and I will bind up that which was broken, and I will strengthen that which was weak, and that which was fat and strong I will preserve: and I will feed them in judgment. 17 And as for you, O my flocks, thus saith the Lord God: Behold I judge between cattle and cattle, of rams and of he goats. 18 Was it not enough for you to feed upon good pastures? but you must also tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures: and when you drank the clearest water, you troubled the rest with your feet. 19 And my sheep were fed with that which you had trodden with your feet: and they drank what your feet had troubled. 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God to you: Behold, I myself will judge between the fat cattle and the lean.21 Because you thrusted with sides and shoulders, and struck all the weak cattle with your horns, till they were scattered abroad: 22 I will save my flock, and it shall be no more a spoil, and I will judge between cattle and cattle. 23 AND I WILL SET UP ONE SHEPHERD OVER THEM, and he shall feed them, even my servant David: he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. 24 And I the Lord will be their God: and my servant David the prince in the midst of them: I the Lord have spoken it. 25 And I will make a covenant of peace with them, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they that dwell in the wilderness shall sleep secure in the forests.
Yeah, that bothers me too.