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Online gladius_veritatis

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Spiritual Illness of Sedevacantism
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2011, 11:51:48 AM »
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    It is indeed from the bowels of Hell. It is a trick that plays on your anger at the NO.


    FWIW, one week I was at the NOM; the next I went to an Indult; the next I was at the Mass of an independent priest.  There was no "anger", etc.  Save the Jedi-esque nonsense for your next anti-seddie children's rally...

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    It uses it as fuel to have you fly past all logical barriers into the pit of cynicism, hatred, and despair that is Sede-ism.


    You are simply proving that you have stunningly incorrect ideas about the entire matter, the real people involved, etc.
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    « Reply #31 on: April 12, 2011, 01:31:41 PM »
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  • Why is stevusmagnus so obsessed with trying to refute sedevacantism?  :really-mad2:

    Some complain about the many people who hold the sedevacantist position in this "Crisis in the Church" forum, but thread after thread on sedevacantism is started by stevusmagnus!

    Could these threads be a last act of desperation to convince the conscience that it is a error? Stevus buddy, I was where you are now but the Truth is so liberating, don't be afraid, join us!  :cheers:
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    « Reply #32 on: April 12, 2011, 01:40:01 PM »
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    Yes, I know the typical sede responses to these claims, but they are not reasonable nor beilevable. I'm truly fascinated that this position could be held by otherwise rational adults. I'm also beginning to see that sede-ism is typically coupled with belief in other conspiracy theories such as Holocaust denial, denial of moon landings, denial Obama is president, the world being controlled by Jewish bankers, etc. It seems there is an underlying cynical, delusional and paranoid worldview that must fuel such perceptions which are so at odds with reality.


    Um... you believe in the HoloHoax?  

    I'd believe in the moon landing if it happened -- but the widely-believed one in the 1960's, unfortunately, did not.

    Obama is not a natural-born citizen, so he is disqualified to be president. Of course, everyone accepts him to be such, so it's the same as being president. Just like there's no constitutional or legal force for the act which brought about a national Income Tax -- but if you don't pay it, you'll still have tanks on your front lawn and you'll go to prison just the same.

    And I only believe the world is controlled by Jewish bankers because the world IS controlled by Jewish bankers. "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild.  And every country in the world has a Central Bank, except for a few "rogue" nations which are are being attacked by the United States or WILL be attacked in the near future.

    Stevus, don't you think it odd that EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH has a huge national debt? Who the hell is that money owed to?

    I appreciate your efforts to keep the Sedes honest, but man! If you think reality is at odds with reality, it's YOU that has a big problem in your worldview!
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    « Reply #33 on: April 12, 2011, 02:31:08 PM »
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    I have a lot of empathy with sedevacantists. I've been heading in that direction myself lately. But is sedevacantism from hell? This is my worry.


    It is indeed from the bowels of Hell. It is a trick that plays on your anger at the NO. It uses it as fuel to have you fly past all logical barriers into the pit of cynicism, hatred, and despair that is Sede-ism. Pretty soon you'll be cursing BXVI as the sinners in Hell curse God and asking how He could have put you on this Hellish earth ruled by a myriad of secret conspiracies with no visible Church and 99% of Catholics ruled by anti-Christ. But in reality you would have put yourself in this false reality by letting your anger overcome your intellect until you can no longer think clearly. Just like how sinners become damned. Your Bishops and priests will more than likely have doubtful orders, offer you doubtful sacraments, in some cases use access to the sacraments as a weapon, steal church property, brag about it, cause scandal. This all leads to despair and a complete lack of Faith. All because you didn't take the time to pray humbly and ask for the grace to see clearly that there are logical distinctions to be made and not all Popes are saints or necessarily good. But as St. Catherine of Siena said, they are our "sweet Christ on earth".

    Turn away now, while there is still time.


    It's not from hell, stevus. There are a few problems with the sede stance as of right now that need to be worked out, but to say it's from hell is crazy. Modernism is from hell, as is extremism (a form of heresy that people such as the Dimond Brothers are in).

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    « Reply #34 on: April 12, 2011, 04:00:34 PM »
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  • Stevus is more of a pain than the most rabid of sedevacantists as you would think it would be them constantly trying ram the point home but no its stevus. I'm surprised he hasn't turned every discussion in this forum into a sede discussion by now!

    Also stevus I think you need to cut down on your mainstream media intake and start studying some Catholic history, economics, ect...

    Fr. Denis Fahey would be a good start.


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    « Reply #35 on: April 12, 2011, 04:06:14 PM »
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    FWIW, one week I was at the NOM;


    So you go to the NOM? Sort of odd for a sede, don't you think?

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    You are simply proving that you have stunningly incorrect ideas about the entire matter, the real people involved, etc.


    I have it nailed. You prove my point by posts like this. You are in denial. Afraid ot grasp with the true reality of the "thesis" to which you cling to at the risk of your eternal soul.

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    « Reply #36 on: April 12, 2011, 04:15:27 PM »
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    Stevus buddy, I was where you are now but the Truth is so liberating, don't be afraid, join us!  :cheers:


    You mean liberated from the Truth, rational thought, and a firm grounding in reality? No thanks!  :laugh1:

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    « Reply #37 on: April 12, 2011, 04:19:01 PM »
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    Yes, I know the typical sede responses to these claims, but they are not reasonable nor beilevable. I'm truly fascinated that this position could be held by otherwise rational adults. I'm also beginning to see that sede-ism is typically coupled with belief in other conspiracy theories such as Holocaust denial, denial of moon landings, denial Obama is president, the world being controlled by Jewish bankers, etc. It seems there is an underlying cynical, delusional and paranoid worldview that must fuel such perceptions which are so at odds with reality.


    Um... you believe in the HoloHoax?  

    I'd believe in the moon landing if it happened -- but the widely-believed one in the 1960's, unfortunately, did not.

    Obama is not a natural-born citizen, so he is disqualified to be president. Of course, everyone accepts him to be such, so it's the same as being president. Just like there's no constitutional or legal force for the act which brought about a national Income Tax -- but if you don't pay it, you'll still have tanks on your front lawn and you'll go to prison just the same.

    And I only believe the world is controlled by Jewish bankers because the world IS controlled by Jewish bankers. "Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws." — Mayer Amsched Rothchild.  And every country in the world has a Central Bank, except for a few "rogue" nations which are are being attacked by the United States or WILL be attacked in the near future.

    Stevus, don't you think it odd that EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH has a huge national debt? Who the hell is that money owed to?

    I appreciate your efforts to keep the Sedes honest, but man! If you think reality is at odds with reality, it's YOU that has a big problem in your worldview!



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    « Reply #38 on: April 12, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »
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  • Not to be rude, stevus, but you are the one in denial. You didn't respond to Matthew's post which stated that you shouldn't believe that Obama was validly elected and that the Holocaust was a hoax. These are more than just "conspiracy theories" stevus.


     

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