Quote from: SeanJohnson
I agree with your ultimate conclusion, that a 61-year interregnum is theologically impossible, because we would be obliged to conclude the hierarchy has vanished, with no possible way for restoration.
In that case, the Church has defected, and the faith of all Catholics from the time of the Apostles until today has been a fraud.
The dogmas fall like dominos, and all mankind should despair.
I also believe you are correct in asserting that if you can have a 61-year interregnum, you can have a 1,000-year interregnum (which once again makes our holy religion one gigantic fraud).
The sedevacantist lays the axe to the very roots of the faith.
Thus far, we agree, Sean Johnson. But regarding any Bishop consecrated, for e.g., under imminent and urgent necessity, behind the Iron Curtain, as soon as the opportunity presents itself, both the Consecrator Bishops and the Consecrated Bishop-elect must present themselves to the Roman Pontiff for appointment or confirmation; or ask for it by letters, and so on. The Pope may either tell them it was rash and wrong to presume to confer consecration, and in that case, they cannot exercise episcopal orders, if there was was no necessity. But if there was a real necessity, and the Pope confers jurisdiction, at such a point the Bishop is appointed to the vacant see. The same is true, for e.g. for Patriarchs. And the failure to observe this was one of the causes of the original schism with Photius, as Pope Pius IX also mentions: "We commanded that a synod composed exclusively of bishops elect the patriarch. However, We forbade the man elected to be enthroned until he received a letter of confirmation from the Apostolic See. We ordered bishops to be elected in the following way: all the bishops of the province were to gather in a synod and recommend three suitable churchmen to the Apostolic See. If it were not possible for all the bishops to come to the synod, the recommendation could be made by a synod of at least three diocesan bishops together with the patriarch, if those absent indicated their triple recommendation in writing. When this is done,
the Roman pontiff will choose one of those recommended and put him in charge of the vacant see. We declared that We were certain that the bishops would recommend worthy and suitable men so that We would never have to select someone different from those recommended to be in charge of the vacant see."
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quartu.htmThe Council of Trent also said the duty of appointing bishops is a proper power of the Roman Pontiff's Office. In the early ages, as Pope Pius VI explains, the Popes, on account of difficulties of travel etc, used to delegate their power to sub-ordinates. But since the time of Trent, their proper power has been reserved to them. In case of emergencies, bishops should present themselves to the Pope as soon as they can after it. Some excerpts: "today the Pope as a duty of his office appoints bishops for each of the churches, and no lawful consecration may take place in the entire Catholic Church without the order of the Apostolic See (Trent, session 24, chap. 1, de Reformat.).19. His letter to Us, far from relieving his plight, worsens it, and must be called schismatic. For that letter makes a mere pretense of establishing communion with Us, since it does not even mention the confirmation which We must give ... Therefore, instead of accepting him as their pastor, the people should reject him with abhorrence as an intruder ...So “he is an imitator of the devil and does not stand firm in the truth, but makes bad use of the appearance and name of the office he has attained,” as St. Leo the Great wrote to some Egyptian bishops concerning a similar intruder ...As regards Cardinal de Lomenie, he tried to excuse himself for taking the oath in a letter to Us last November 25. He stated that it was not to be regarded as mental assent and claimed that he was quite undecided on the question of ordaining bishops who had been elected ... As to his indecision about ordaining those elected, in answer We commanded him not to ordain new bishops for any reason whatsoever, and so join new rebels to the church. For
the right of ordaining bishops-belongs only to the Apostolic See, as the Council of Trent declares" https://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius06/p6charit.htmDo you believe Bishop Williamson is a successor to the Apostles?
No, not yet. His Excellency can easily become one, though, in at least 3 ways that come to mind: (1) if Bp. Williamson himself goes to the Successor of Peter, and asks to receive Ordinary Jurisdiction from him, and obtains it. (2) If the Resistance is regularized. (3) If Bp. Williamson or other Resistance Bishops join a normalized Society of St. Pius X, whose Bishops, for the reason mentioned earlier, in the Damsel of the Faith link, now have it.
As Rev. Father Dom Prosper Gueranger, the great Theologian and eminent Liturgist, specially praised by His Holiness Pope Bl. Pius IX, explains it, Jesus Christ Himself Our Lord and God has set up His Church in this way, so that Rome may be the sole source of pastoral power in the Universal Church:
"Rome was, more evidently than ever, the sole source of pastoral power.We, then, both priests and people, have a right to know whence our pastors have received their power. From whose hand have they received the keys? If their mission come from the apostolic see, let us honour and obey them, for they are sent to us by Jesus Christ, who has invested them, through Peter, with His own authority.
If they claim our obedience without having been sent by the bishop of Rome, we must refuse to receive them, for they are not acknowledged by Christ as His ministers."
https://reginamag.com/saint-peters-chair-at-antioch/Sede bishops, therefore, on contemplating and realizing these facts, which traditional Theologians have always taught, should retract the error of 61+ year sede-vacantism; hasten and hurry to recognize the Pope, and receive ordinary power of jurisdiction from his hands; knowing and believing the Vatican I Dogma that there will be Perpetual Successors to St. Peter in the Roman Catholic Church, which Dogma is word-for-word contrary to, and incompatible with, an indefinite interregnum.
Without Perpetual Successors to St. Peter, the Catholic Church would lose Apostolicity, and Divine and Catholic Faith assures us that that is impossible.