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Offline josh987654321

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Re: Something sinister is afoot here
« Reply #75 on: November 12, 2024, 06:10:41 AM »
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  • It is undeniable

    You're still upset Trump won and you didn't get your way with many Catholics rightly voting for him... I know lol.

    It's a good thing too, for you were totally foolish to blindly condemn Trump just so hαɾɾιs could get in and reinstate Roe v Wade among so much more... I'm very relieved you lost, so I couldn't care less what accusations you throw at me or even if I get banned, wouldn't be the first time and like I said, I'll be gone soon anyway given some new laws aimed at censorship through stealth my nation is trying to pass... Thankfully they can't touch platforms like X and VPN's exist (not that I'd ever return to a forum I have been banned from even though I could, this is my username on all forums I have joined and I have never posted under a different name).

    So all your threats are totally worthless lol.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #76 on: November 12, 2024, 06:13:48 AM »
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  • You're still upset Trump won and you didn't get your way with many Catholics rightly voting for him... I know lol.

    It's a good thing too, for you were totally foolish to blindly condemn Trump just so hαɾɾιs could get in and reinstate Roe v Wade among so much more... I'm very relieved you lost, so I couldn't care less what accusations you throw at me or even if I get banned, wouldn't be the first time and like I said, I'll be gone soon anyway given some new laws aimed at censorship through stealth my nation is trying to pass... Thankfully they can't touch platforms like X and VPN's exist. 

    So all your threats are totally worthless lol.

    With your hysterical over-statements, straw men, and illogic, you really have mastered female impersonation.

    Congratulations.


    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #77 on: November 12, 2024, 06:14:23 AM »
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  • It is undeniable that josh987654321 has openly, repeatedly, and explicitly pushed his two heresies: (1) universal salvation of Jєωs in The End and (2) "Jєωιѕн understanding necessary for Catholics."

    It is equally undeniable that josh987654321 has assiduously avoided admitting or discussing of the mountain of Magisterium contradicting his heresies. Such avoidance is not the mark of mere ignorance amenable to catechesis. Such avoidance is the mark of a committed stiff-necked heretic intent on subverting the Faithful.

    I call upon josh987654321 to abjure his heresies.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that in The End only a remnant of Jєωs will convert and be saved.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that Catholics need Catholic understandings, not Jєωιѕн misunderstandings.

    If josh987654321 cannot bring himself to succinctly and unambiguously affirm those Truths, he is a heretic.

    We must not allow him to hide behind verbosity, false piety, out-of-context or partial quotes, or word salad.

    Offline Michelle

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #78 on: November 12, 2024, 09:35:45 AM »
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  • It is that simple, Mark79's posting are not only in error, but they are also vulgar, he is a whacko... like I said, is there anything he doesn't blame on the Jєωs?

    I found some spoiled leftovers in the refrigerator, had a flat tire a few months ago, and the wind blew over a couple of my potted citrus seedlings. The Jєωs didn't do that. :laugh1:

    I don't like to use the term anti-semitic [so you will try to use a different meaningless slur, like "hate" and "persecute"]… the Germans did persecute and try to eliminate the Jєωs...

    Actually, to this very day there is no evidence that a "final solution" was ever planned or intended. If you dispute that, produce the evidence that even the JMFs have not been able to adduce. Otherwise, STFU.

    If you were honest, you'd admit that Germans were defending themselves against the same Jєωιѕн onslaught (e.g., economic crimes against humanity, mainstreaming of perversion, and ritual murder) that we are experiencing today.

    Of course we are to pray and work [more false piety] for the conversion of the Jєωs, not to persecute them though...

    While Sic Judaeis Non rejects "persceution," it allows wide leeway for self-defense and defense of our Faith.

    I have repeatedly posted the infallible, unchangeable, perennial teachings of Councils, Popes, Saint, and Doctors that you have repeatedly ignored… while instead you infer teachings that do  not exist and that are contradicted by Scripture and the Magisterium.

    Here are nearly 100 such verifiable references to
    Magisterium on the Jєωs: https://archive.is/nbt6S

    You are welcome to keep ignoring it and substituting your own "Magisterium of None" at your own peril. In contumaciously ignoring the Magisterium, you discredit yourself.


    St Paul implies [Oh really?  You claim an inference even though he explicitly contradicts you.] that they will be converted when the fullness of the Gentiles are converted...

    St. Paul explicitly states that a remnant will be saved:

    "And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

    [Romans 9:27]

    "Even so then at this present time also, there is a remnant saved according to the election of grace.
    [Romans 11:5]


    I believe …

    Who cares what you believe? Practicing Catholics care about what the MAGISTERIUM believes.


    this will happen when the fulness of typology is unlocked both in the Scriptures and historically,

    See Scripture above: "remnant"

    as there are many mistakes Christians make today which they would not do if they had a proper Jєωιѕн understanding as St Paul and the Disciples did.


    Oh really???  You have hoisted yourself on your own petard.

    Catholics need a proper Catholic understanding, NOT a Jєωιѕн understanding!

    It is time to draw Matthew's attention to your promotion of outright Judaizing heresy.

    For example, it would never have occurred to them that we would make the mistake of using Leavened Bread for Holy Communion as the Eastern Rite and Orthodox do, for a Jєω such a thing would be out of the question (Exodus 12) yet the early Church had both and never clarified and still to this day try and retain communion with the Eastern Rite by keeping silent about it... which I would not want to force anything on my Eastern Rite or Orthodox brothers and sisters, nevertheless, the truth about this needs to be told.

    You've also got Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses with literal horns, another major mistake... for it prevents them from recognising the immense typology between Moses shining face and the Transfiguration of Christ... Aaron and St Peter etc.

    Yeast and sculpture are your defense???

    What utter bullshit; Yeast and sculpture are completely irrelevant to your heresies promoting (1) the universal salvation of Jєωs and (2) Catholics should rely upon "Jєωιѕн understanding."

    God Bless
    Mark and Josh keep repeating the same nonsense.  When the indesputable truth is laid out in front of them, they start a new thread.  They repeat the same errors over and over and do not submit to Catholic dogma.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #79 on: November 12, 2024, 09:40:35 AM »
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  • Mark and Josh keep repeating the same nonsense.  When the indesputable truth is laid out in front of them, they start a new thread.  They repeat the same errors over and over and do not submit to Catholic dogma.
    The trolls post error; I post a rebuttal.

    What error do you claim I post and re-post?


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #80 on: November 12, 2024, 09:44:57 AM »
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  • Mark and Josh keep repeating the same nonsense.  When the indesputable truth is laid out in front of them, they start a new thread.  They repeat the same errors over and over and do not submit to Catholic dogma.
    I stated my conclusions about their actions in another post.

    I am not a free speech advocate; I firmly believe that blasphemy warrants banning and that obstinate heretics and schismatics should be excluded. MarkM demonstrates obstinacy in his schismatic adherence to false Conciliar beliefs, while Josh’s views on the salvation of Jews reveal heresy.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #81 on: November 12, 2024, 09:45:49 AM »
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  • The trolls post error; I post a rebuttal.

    What error do you claim I post and re-post?
    I believe she is referring to MarkM.

    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #82 on: November 12, 2024, 09:52:10 AM »
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  • I believe she is referring to MarkM.
    Yes, she just clarified that with me by PM.


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #83 on: November 12, 2024, 09:53:48 AM »
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  • I believe she is referring to MarkM.
    Yes.  I'm sorry for not being specific.  My mistake.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #84 on: November 12, 2024, 10:07:45 AM »
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  • S4H just recently turned up with no history or introduction and has not yet posted enough to draw many conclusions.
    I agree with your post, Jayne. 

    I hadn't quite gotten a handle on this new poster (if he is a "new" poster because his posts seemed familiar to me).  However, it seems he hasn't posted in a few days, so I wonder whether he'll be back.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #85 on: November 12, 2024, 03:00:00 PM »
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  • Intentional or not, their posts clearly reveal these objectives in action.

    The items in bold have supporting evidence; the others are speculative but, in my view, likely true.

    1.To flood the forum with content to “memory hole” or bury genuine discussions.
    2. To sow discord and division among forum members.
    3. To merge traditionalist and conciliar viewpoints subtly, diluting traditional positions.
    4. To discredit traditionalist voices by provoking exaggerated or extreme responses.
    5. To monitor and gather intelligence on traditionalist arguments and strategies.
    6. To discourage users by creating an atmosphere of frustration and distrust.
    7. To introduce gradual doctrinal errors under the guise of “reasonable” debate.
    8. To shift focus away from central issues by constantly steering discussions toward trivial matters.
    9. To normalize modernist or secular ideologies under a veneer of “reasonable Catholicism.”
    10. To demoralize traditional Catholics by creating doubt and confusion around traditional teachings and leaders.
    11. To shift accountability away from the Jєωs and redirect criticism elsewhere.
    12. To promote secular politics as the primary solution, downplaying or dismissing the need for a Catholic state.

    I meant to respond to this earlier, but just want to add that I agree with others here that the above list is very good. A good summary of their goals.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #86 on: November 12, 2024, 03:53:10 PM »
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  • Regarding MarkM

    …Anyway, with his hysterical over-reaction to the meme, the pattern fell into place:
    manic posting
    grandiose self-importance
    paranoid over-reaction
    apparent sleeplessness
    verbosity as a "pressured speech" equivalent
    hysterical style

    I think MarkM has a specific psychiatric problem, a manic episode of bipolar disorder.

    Just as I don't push old ladies out of wheelchairs, now that I see the pattern, I'm not going to argue with him. He is malfunctioning.

    Obviously he is unlikely to get medical or spiritual help on my recommendation.

    Typically bipolars treasure the "high" of their manic phase (until they physically collapse from exhaustion), so refuse to see it for the pathology it is. They will typically reject the medical diagnosis and refuse (or discontinue) helpful medications. Usually they "rabbit" but, if they seek medical help at all, they go "doctor shopping" until they find a doctor who misses (or ignores) the diagnosis.… or until their impulsive behavior draws the attention of the police and forced into treatment.

    The moral problem for me at this point is whether or not josh987654321 is just another of MarkM's self-admitted multiple forum accounts. I have not decided yet if josh987654321 deserves a "pass" due to mental illness.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #87 on: November 12, 2024, 05:01:18 PM »
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  • I’ve always thought Matthew should have instituted an Inquisition & Burning at the Stake ritual on Cathinfo.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi