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Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
« on: March 31, 2024, 09:17:10 PM »
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  • Here is an excerpt from an e-mail I received. I chose to remove the personal identification, since I would rather discuss the idea rather than the person who brought it to my attention.

    I see no reason to keep this in personal correspondence -- if I'm going to take my time to give my views on the matter, I'm going to make a public CathInfo thread about it.

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    I want to share with you a video presentation I put together on Gravity wheel technology for a gravity power plant.

    When you have some free time - this video is well worth watching - I think.

    It is 15 minutes and 43 seconds long.

    There is no audio/sound in this video.

    The video may take a little time to load - maybe 10 seconds or so.

    You can watch it by Clicking this Link: https://mothermary.website/gravity-power-plant-technology.mp4

    Please do let me know what you think?


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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #1 on: March 31, 2024, 09:27:50 PM »
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  • Here is my frank assessment:

    1. I doubt such a "perpetual motion machine" is possible, much less exists. As Scotty once said, "You canna break the laws of physics, Captain!" Friction, entropy, and losses in the system are real.

    2. Youtube videos can be faked. And many of them ARE faked. You don't want to be naive or a sucker for stuff like this. You can't believe everything you read (or see) on the Internet.

    3. Related to #2, have you personally built this machine and demonstrated perpetual motion, free unlimited energy? If not, I would assume it's impossible. Don't you think corporations, electric companies, etc. would LOVE to have free energy to sell to us for 10 cents a kilowatt hour, with no input expenses such as natural gas to burn to produce electricity?

    4. In conclusion, the simple machines demonstrated in this 15 minute video are NOT that hard to build and reproduce for yourself. If it's not faked, it should be reproducible. You CAN'T say "I have this video; that's just as good, right? It's as good as me personally building and testing it, since I have this video evidence. He just did it for me." No, it's NOT the same thing.

    5. You do realize there are all sorts of such scams and fakes on Youtube and other corners of the Internet -- recipes for free energy, etc. "There's a sucker born every minute." Don't fall for it.

    6. The bits about the rechargeable batteries, diodes to prevent discharge, etc. is all basic and sound. But the issue is the alleged perpetual motion machine.
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #2 on: April 01, 2024, 07:59:46 AM »
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  • Here is my frank assessment:

    1. I doubt such a "perpetual motion machine" is possible, much less exists. As Scotty once said, "You canna break the laws of physics, Captain!" Friction, entropy, and losses in the system are real.

    2. Youtube videos can be faked. And many of them ARE faked. You don't want to be naive or a sucker for stuff like this. You can't believe everything you read (or see) on the Internet.

    3. Related to #2, have you personally built this machine and demonstrated perpetual motion, free unlimited energy? If not, I would assume it's impossible. Don't you think corporations, electric companies, etc. would LOVE to have free energy to sell to us for 10 cents a kilowatt hour, with no input expenses such as natural gas to burn to produce electricity?

    4. In conclusion, the simple machines demonstrated in this 15 minute video are NOT that hard to build and reproduce for yourself. If it's not faked, it should be reproducible. You CAN'T say "I have this video; that's just as good, right? It's as good as me personally building and testing it, since I have this video evidence. He just did it for me." No, it's NOT the same thing.

    5. You do realize there are all sorts of such scams and fakes on Youtube and other corners of the Internet -- recipes for free energy, etc. "There's a sucker born every minute." Don't fall for it.

    6. The bits about the rechargeable batteries, diodes to prevent discharge, etc. is all basic and sound. But the issue is the alleged perpetual motion machine.

    1)  I believe a "perpetual motion machine" might be possible (though most have been scams to date).  While we cannot break the laws of physics, there's much unknown about the laws of physics, and much hidden by the scientific/government establishment.  Tesla believed that there was free energy everywhere in the environment, in the air, the ether, in the earth, etc. ... and had working inventions to back it up.  So it would be more a question of tapping into such "unknown" forces than in violation of the laws of physics.

    2) Yes, and most perpetual motion machine Youtubes have been exposed as fakes.

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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #3 on: April 01, 2024, 08:34:51 AM »
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  • Yes, so any "phenomenon" which claims to be the secret that's going to make all current energy infrastructure obsolete, etc. needs to be TESTED PERSONALLY BY THE INTERESTED INDIVIDUAL otherwise we *must* assume such youtube videos are scams. It's the only prudent, skeptical, rational thing to do.

    Remember, videos like this one are making an extraordinary claim: that all current electric companies, alternative energy (wind, solar, geo, hydro), etc. are all wasting their time, because they just need to implement ______ and we'd have free, infinite energy. 

    How large is the energy industry? All oil production/manufacturing, natural gas, nuclear/coal/nat gas power plants, manufacturers of power line infrastructure, solar panel companies, wind generator companies, charge controller designers/manufacturers, and hundreds of other industries are ALL "unaware" of the content of this video -- that's an extraordinary claim. Calling it an extraordinary claim is an understatement.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A Youtube video isn't that :)
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #4 on: April 01, 2024, 08:38:14 AM »
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  • I think the government took Tesla and nαzι tech and has hidden it, and the energy companies don't benefit from free energy tech, unless they keep knowledge that they're using it hidden (to increase their profit margins).  Some have claimed that the energy companies are using such technology but keeping it hidden from the public.  There are in fact verifiable cases of water-powered cars that have been suppressed by big petroleum.  Wouldn't the car companies benefit from producing water-powered cars?  Of course they would.  Such vehicles would sell like hot-cakes.  But they're in collusion with government and other big industries to keep the scam going.  Recall that most companies are owned by the same people:  Blackrock, Vanguard, aka the Jєωs.

    Tesla had working free-energy systems out there (which pulled energy from the ground and the ether), but he was shut down by his Jєω sponsors once they found out what he was up to, and the government confiscated all his papers when he died (some relative of Donald Trump was involved in taking those materials).

    Energy independence by the population would wreak havoc on their control over the population.  With such tech, anyone could go "off grid" and would not be at the mercy of the government to basically stay alive.  So there are bigger considerations out there than corporate profits.


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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2024, 09:16:26 AM »
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  • That COULD be true. There could be some secret energy source, already discovered at least once, that is being hidden from the public by a conspiracy.

    But do you think Youtube would have videos giving away this secret? You think Youtube would allow that, or BE ALLOWED TO ALLOW that? I don't think so.

    Especially considering these "gravity wheels" (for example) are NOT outside the reach of the average person to build and observe. I mean, anyone have a bicycle lying around? Turn the thing upside down so the front wheel spins freely. Put a few things on it and some heavy marbles to drop in (as per the videos) to get your perpetual motion going. Then it's time for some basic electricity generation: glue on several magnets around the wheel, connect a couple wires, perhaps a few basic electronics (to rectify the generated electricity into stable DC) and see if it lights a bulb for days and never stops spinning. Easy peasy!

    Like the Fountain of Youth or the ability to transform lead into gold, "infinite free clean energy" is something LITERALLY everyone on earth (at least every adult) would love to have. So you have the largest possible market or demand for your idea -- hence all the scams.

    Anyone who is interested in such alternative energy is going to have to roll up his sleeves and start experimenting and building. You can't just treat Youtube videos as so many hours of experimental work you've done personally. Because virtually all of them are scams, either to sell you something, generate clicks/ad revenue, or just general mischievous deception or generating confusion.
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #6 on: April 01, 2024, 10:39:08 AM »
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  • That COULD be true. There could be some secret energy source, already discovered at least once, that is being hidden from the public by a conspiracy.

    But do you think Youtube would have videos giving away this secret? You think Youtube would allow that, or BE ALLOWED TO ALLOW that? I don't think so.

    No, I'm not saying that the Youtube is legit, just saying it's possible that such technology exists but is being suppressed by government and big business.

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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #7 on: April 01, 2024, 03:21:52 PM »
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  • Is the universe a perpetual motion machine?

    I think the closest to free energy perpetual motion is making use of energy in a system so large that there's no noticeable depletion. Solar, wind, hydro, are some examples.

    There's an interesting perpetual motion machine, a car that is propeller driven (the prop is driven by the wheels), that can continue to accelerate after being given a push, but technically it is taking energy from the earth. It's counter intuitive because in a way it gets it's energy from a lack of motion: air that is still relative to the ground.
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #8 on: April 01, 2024, 11:31:34 PM »
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  • Is the universe a perpetual motion machine?

    I think the closest to free energy perpetual motion is making use of energy in a system so large that there's no noticeable depletion. Solar, wind, hydro, are some examples.

    There's an interesting perpetual motion machine, a car that is propeller driven (the prop is driven by the wheels), that can continue to accelerate after being given a push, but technically it is taking energy from the earth. It's counter intuitive because in a way it gets it's energy from a lack of motion: air that is still relative to the ground.

    Yes, the notion of a "closed" system is a relative term.  But if there's energy applied from outside the system, there's no reason such a machine could not be possible.  You point out solar, wind, hydro.  These are free energy relative to us because they're in the environment and we don't need to do any work ourselves to create the energy, just convert it to something else.  I don't see why a perpetual motion machine could not be theoretically possible, if there's an energy source in the environment.  Even the notion of a "gravity" machine seems possible.  "Gravity" (whatever causes it ... I hold that it's electromagnetic) exerts a force without our having to work in order to create it, and I don't see why that force could not be harnessed like any other external forces, such as wind.

    I've thought about this, but if you combine gravity, and a lever, the upward force on the other end of fulcrum would be increased compared to the downward force.  So, you'd take the downward force of gravity, and then increase it within the system by using levers.  I don't see why this is theoretically impossible.

    So a force A downward from gravity, might cause a force 2xA on the other side of the lever, upward, and then you could let the object that got pushed up, now that the lever has tilted, roll down the tilted surface (again, using more gravity), until it gets to the other side of the lever, and again exerts more force on the other side.  I don't see why this wouldn't be possible with the right combination of levers and the force of gravity.

    Tesla believed that there was electric current everywhere.  We know that that the earth has a negative charge, while the atmosphere has a positive charge.  That could be harnessed somehow and combined with magnetism to create some interesting "free" energy machines ("free" relative to ourselves).

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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #9 on: April 01, 2024, 11:53:08 PM »
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  • Well, what we need then is a number of trads (or at least one bright trad) to get busy in his workshop, actually building and trying out various things. An old fashioned "inventor". 

    If you're excited about it -- start building and experimenting. I suppose making a video like this is calculated to stimulate the interest of those who *do* have the knowledge and aptitude to develop such a device. But beyond that --

    What else are we going to do about it? Buy some snake oil? Give someone our money? Certainly not. Might as well kiss it goodbye.
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2024, 06:41:43 AM »
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  • Well, what we need then is a number of trads (or at least one bright trad) to get busy in his workshop, actually building and trying out various things. An old fashioned "inventor".

    If you're excited about it -- start building and experimenting. I suppose making a video like this is calculated to stimulate the interest of those who *do* have the knowledge and aptitude to develop such a device. But beyond that --

    What else are we going to do about it? Buy some snake oil? Give someone our money? Certainly not. Might as well kiss it goodbye.

    I've seen things out there that may work to generate free electricity, but the problem is that they all result in relatively tiny amounts of charge.  I've even looked at the bicyle-driven generators, and you'd have to ride like 20 miles just to charge up a cell phone.

    :laugh1:

    Unfortunately, it would seem as though solar might be your best option, or else some kind of bio-diesel generator.


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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #11 on: April 02, 2024, 06:56:27 AM »
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  • What else are we going to do about it? Buy some snake oil? Give someone our money? Certainly not. Might as well kiss it goodbye.

    As I said, I've looked into it and run the numbers.  You can get a proven 50-watt "pedal power" system, where you can generate 50 watts if you're pumping your legs at full speed.  Well, you'd have to ride an hour just to run 3 15-watt LED lightbulbs for 3 hours, or 1 LED lightbulb for 9 hours.  That's a lot of work for very little wattage.  And these little systems I've seen out there will generate only a small fraction of what you can create with the "pedal power".  You'd really need a fairly large (and expensive) solar setup to power your entire home ... requiring at least a $30K investment.

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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #12 on: April 02, 2024, 09:31:45 AM »
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  • Thinking that we can harness the power of gravity for free is an easy trap to fall into unless you have a river to dam up.

    It's the same problem with trying to make a perpetual motion machine with magnets. I'm very tempted to try experimenting to cheat the system and get energy from a permanent magnet perpetual motion motor, but it always comes down to potential energy. You can't get magnets or gravity to lift stuff for you just so you can harness the energy of it falling. Energy must come from somewhere else to do the lifting or separate the magnets.

    I think the temptation to believe it is possible comes from designs that can be highly efficient at maintaining motion with only a minimal input.

    God didn't say we would earn our bread by perpetual motion machines or free energy.
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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #13 on: April 02, 2024, 10:06:35 AM »
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  • Certainly there are mechanisms to amplify energy coming into a system, the most well know of which is the lever.  You can exert much more upward force (output) than the downward force being applied (input) via a lever and a fulcrum.  Now, if you could feed that extra energy from the output back into the input, and siphon off the excess to do other work, then you could have a "perpetual motion" scenario.  Problem is that the scale on which this would have to be done would be huge in order to reap any real benefit.

    Tesla did find a way to harness environmental energy, the current flow from the atmosphere/either to the earth, but his methods have been lost (or snatched away by the government).  I've seen these little magnet machines that appear to have some promise, but the output was always a trickle charge of like a watt or two.

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    Re: Perpetual motion machine - Gravity wheel generator
    « Reply #14 on: April 02, 2024, 10:11:43 AM »
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  • I've been meaning to look into this one, where they use a car alternator and a motor ...

    https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=78d3e0b7da712cbc&q=free+energy+with+alternator+and+magnets&tbm=vid&source=lnms&prmd=ivsnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjxrqL856OFAxWYAjQIHV9xB1wQ0pQJegQIAhAB&biw=1620&bih=945&dpr=2

    On the surface, would appear to be a scam, but I can't debunk some of the videos myself.