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Alexandria · « **Reply #90 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:17:55 PM »

Quote from: Caraffa

Quote from: Alexandria
Quote from: Robert de Brus
Quote from: Matthew
Yes, I agree --

Going to a Mass on Sunday where the priest uses the 1962 Missale Romanum does not a Trad make.

The (traditional) Catholic Faith involves an entire belief system and Catholic morality/culture.

Culture could be defined as "way of life".

All the Catholic cultures in the past were great because of their Catholic foundation. And although each culture was unique, Catholic cultures also had a common underpinning: Catholic morality.

Matthew

Sadly, a good chunk of the younger trads are really nothing more than hobbyists. It doesnt take much digging to find that many of them are just as liberal as any other young person.
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Too, too true. But don't tell them that - they'll take your head off. They don't take criticism or correction well at all.

Yes, I have come across a few like this. Just looking at some so called "Trad" blogs from certain young people on the internet will reveal ideas and practices that are infected with the Frankfurt School of thought as well as postmodernism. We Trads dislike Modernism and rightfully so, but here is the catch, so do Postmodernists, except in true Modernist fashion what Postmodernists mean when they say Modernism is not exactly what we Traditionalists mean.

A very wise SSPX priest told me a very long time ago to always make sure you define your terms when you speak to these people. I didn't believe him until I went back to the novus ordo and spoke to one of their priests. I discovered that, although we used the same terminology, we both had different meanings for the same words.

Thurifer · « **Reply #91 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:36:27 PM »

I did not like the way a lot of the women on that forum spoke about sex and many were always talking about "finding a balance". And my observation about "finding a balance" being such a used expression there by no means is always related to sex. It is code for compromising with the dark side. So that was my first clue that there were a lot of modernists there.

Charles · « **Reply #92 on:** October 02, 2010, 07:48:36 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Yes, I agree --

Going to a Mass on Sunday where the priest uses the 1962 Missale Romanum does not a Trad make.

The (traditional) Catholic Faith involves an entire belief system and Catholic morality/culture.

Culture could be defined as "way of life".

All the Catholic cultures in the past were great because of their Catholic foundation. And although each culture was unique, Catholic cultures also had a common underpinning: Catholic morality.

Matthew

Very true Matthew.

I'm sure some here have seen this, but I was very moved when I found it.

"I began serving the “old Mass” as an altar boy in 1927. I am now 88 years old, 62 years as a priest. As a lad, knowing the perfect recitations of all the Latin Mass responses, I dealt with priests of every age and devotion and I do not recall any who deliberately mumbled their prayers. The churches were not air-conditioned in those days and in the hot summer days it was not uncommon to omit the sermon; Low Mass might last for only 20 minutes, and Communions were much fewer in those days. Now with the Novus Ordo, I have attended Mass in 10 minutes. A possible scandal.

The only scandal I can recall in the old days was people sleeping during the sermon. Nobody complained about the Eucharistic fast from midnight; nobody complained about Communion on the tongue or about the Latin. In fact, we were proud of the Latin we knew. Non-Catholics marveled at the piety and the reverence of the congregation and the head-coverings of the women. Those were the glory days of the Church when our Catholic faith was a family thing, a treasure we prized. Our faith was so much a part of our life that it colored our moods, shaped our social activities, influenced our style of dress, and flavored our conversation. How many families can make the same claim today?

Last Sunday I experienced what perhaps was the greatest joy of my priesthood. I could scarcely contain myself. Indeed, my cup runneth over. I celebrated the Tridentine Latin Mass with a congregation of two hundred people. It was like a repetition of my First Holy Mass 56 years ago. It was a Missa Cantata — those sacred Gregorian melodies so fitting for worship: the solemn Trinity Preface, the solemn Pater Noster, the Holy Gospel, and the Orations.

My daily vernacular Mass has been a joy in my life, but there was always something about this Tridentine Latin Mass that went beyond all telling. I’ve found something that I had lost some 35 years ago. All those years my heart ached for the Latin Mass that I had lost, always hoping that some day, please God, I would find it. Last Sunday I found it. And like the widow of the Gospel who found her lost coin and who called in her neighbors to rejoice with her, now I was the one who wanted to call in the whole world to share in my joy. It was like being away from home all these years and always hoping that some day the permission for me would arrive to return home and share again with my dear ones the joys of long ago. It was home sweet home again. My joy knows no bounds.

My humble and ineffable thanks to our good Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, the Good Shepherd who went out looking for all those abandoned sheep to lead us back home again — to Rome, sweet home.

Would I go back to the new Mass? No way!

Rev. Charles Schoenbaechler, C.R.
Louisville, Kentucky"
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/letters.jsp?did=1004-letters

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Fr Charles was in Bermuda for years before being sent away by the bishop there for being "too traditional". Fr returned to the States and was told by his superior to do as he wished.

He stayed in the Church and weathered the NO, before finding a group who needed and welcomed him, but his sermons are, time after time, lamenting the sad state and bad fruit of the post VII church. He is 94 now I think.

The NO priest at the parish Fr Charles prays the TLM at is a narcissist and is one of the reasons I quit going to the Sunday TLM there. This NO priest likes to stroll into the Sanctuary and take the pulpit during the TLM to praise his ideas for new projects and ask for money, and never forgets to tell everyone how much of a sacrifice it is for him to be a priest.

I'll never forget the day I walked into the church, which has the full skeletal remains of Sts Magnus and Bonosa, and seeing a sketch of a new project propped up on the side altar, beneath which St Bonosa rests. I was so angry that day to see this NO priest again take the pulpit and point to the sketch, telling everyone how wonderful the new project will be when completed.

I so wanted to stand up and ask him if he realized what a privilege was granted to him to be named pastor of such an old church, and also ask him if he realized that altars are not to be used as tables/stands to display mundane depictions of non liturgical structures.

It is only out of respect for Fr Charles I didn't.

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Charles · « **Reply #93 on:** October 02, 2010, 08:00:20 PM »

Quote from: Charles

Quote from: Matthew
Yes, I agree --

Going to a Mass on Sunday where the priest uses the 1962 Missale Romanum does not a Trad make.

The (traditional) Catholic Faith involves an entire belief system and Catholic morality/culture.

Culture could be defined as "way of life".

All the Catholic cultures in the past were great because of their Catholic foundation. And although each culture was unique, Catholic cultures also had a common underpinning: Catholic morality.

Matthew

Very true Matthew.

I'm sure some here have seen this, but I was very moved when I found it.

"I began serving the “old Mass” as an altar boy in 1927. I am now 88 years old, 62 years as a priest. As a lad, knowing the perfect recitations of all the Latin Mass responses, I dealt with priests of every age and devotion and I do not recall any who deliberately mumbled their prayers. The churches were not air-conditioned in those days and in the hot summer days it was not uncommon to omit the sermon; Low Mass might last for only 20 minutes, and Communions were much fewer in those days. Now with the Novus Ordo, I have attended Mass in 10 minutes. A possible scandal.

The only scandal I can recall in the old days was people sleeping during the sermon. Nobody complained about the Eucharistic fast from midnight; nobody complained about Communion on the tongue or about the Latin. In fact, we were proud of the Latin we knew. Non-Catholics marveled at the piety and the reverence of the congregation and the head-coverings of the women. Those were the glory days of the Church when our Catholic faith was a family thing, a treasure we prized. Our faith was so much a part of our life that it colored our moods, shaped our social activities, influenced our style of dress, and flavored our conversation. How many families can make the same claim today?

Last Sunday I experienced what perhaps was the greatest joy of my priesthood. I could scarcely contain myself. Indeed, my cup runneth over. I celebrated the Tridentine Latin Mass with a congregation of two hundred people. It was like a repetition of my First Holy Mass 56 years ago. It was a Missa Cantata — those sacred Gregorian melodies so fitting for worship: the solemn Trinity Preface, the solemn Pater Noster, the Holy Gospel, and the Orations.

My daily vernacular Mass has been a joy in my life, but there was always something about this Tridentine Latin Mass that went beyond all telling. I’ve found something that I had lost some 35 years ago. All those years my heart ached for the Latin Mass that I had lost, always hoping that some day, please God, I would find it. Last Sunday I found it. And like the widow of the Gospel who found her lost coin and who called in her neighbors to rejoice with her, now I was the one who wanted to call in the whole world to share in my joy. It was like being away from home all these years and always hoping that some day the permission for me would arrive to return home and share again with my dear ones the joys of long ago. It was home sweet home again. My joy knows no bounds.

My humble and ineffable thanks to our good Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, the Good Shepherd who went out looking for all those abandoned sheep to lead us back home again — to Rome, sweet home.

Would I go back to the new Mass? No way!

Rev. Charles Schoenbaechler, C.R.
Louisville, Kentucky"
http://www.newoxfordreview.org/letters.jsp?did=1004-letters

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Fr Charles was in Bermuda for years before being sent away by the bishop there for being "too traditional". Fr returned to the States and was told by his superior to do as he wished.

He stayed in the Church and weathered the NO, before finding a group who needed and welcomed him, but his sermons are, time after time, lamenting the sad state and bad fruit of the post VII church. He is 94 now I think.

The NO priest at the parish Fr Charles prays the TLM at is a narcissist and is one of the reasons I quit going to the Sunday TLM there. This NO priest likes to stroll into the Sanctuary and take the pulpit during the TLM to praise his ideas for new projects and ask for money, and never forgets to tell everyone how much of a sacrifice it is for him to be a priest.

I'll never forget the day I walked into the church, which has the full skeletal remains of Sts Magnus and Bonosa, and seeing a sketch of a new project propped up on the side altar, beneath which St Bonosa rests. I was so angry that day to see this NO priest again take the pulpit and point to the sketch, telling everyone how wonderful the new project will be when completed.

I so wanted to stand up and ask him if he realized what a privilege was granted to him to be named pastor of such an old church, and also ask him if he realized that altars are not to be used as tables/stands to display mundane depictions of non liturgical structures.

It is only out of respect for Fr Charles I didn't.

Damn you Fr Klotter

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stevusmagnus · « **Reply #94 on:** October 04, 2010, 08:55:43 PM »

Quote from: Robert de Brus

I stirred up a nasty flamewar for defending something I should not have to on a trad forum

You've just summed up the problem in a nutshell.

Posting there is often pointless because you are trying to convince disingenuous/ immature posters that the sky is blue.

Even if you get a serious intelligent poster to engage in a discussion, the thread is constantly derailed by trolls and cheerleaders.

Then you've got AQ where any thread that is controversial (interesting), even if a great informative discussion is being had, is locked. It really is a shame because there are a decent amount of knowledgeable and bright posters there. Maybe we can get those individuals over here.

Robert de Brus · « **Reply #95 on:** October 05, 2010, 02:14:17 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus
I stirred up a nasty flamewar for defending something I should not have to on a trad forum

You've just summed up the problem in a nutshell.

Posting there is often pointless because you are trying to convince disingenuous/ immature posters that the sky is blue.

Even if you get a serious intelligent poster to engage in a discussion, the thread is constantly derailed by trolls and cheerleaders.

Then you've got AQ where any thread that is controversial (interesting), even if a great informative discussion is being had, is locked. It really is a shame because there are a decent amount of knowledgeable and bright posters there. Maybe we can get those individuals over here.

AQ isnt too bad, but I dislike their format - painful on the eyes. FE has the prettiest format, and I do actually like the wider variety of forums, but this larger size attracts alot of flakes and phonies. Still alot of good posters over there as I said but alot of bad ones too.

Alot of moral relativism and downright nonsense such as the oxymoron of 'Catholic feminism' - including one poster who claims not to be a fembot but does nothing but rag on men - or the huge number of trads who have decided, on their own, that capital punishment is wrong. This is traditional? Try posting about the anti-Christian 'theology' of Martin Luther King and you'll get jumped on by half the forum. I remember awhile ago one well-meaning poster made an off-hand negative comment about the commie Nelson Mandela and was taken to task. Sorry neo-Trads, or Catholic hobbyists, you cant justify 'civil disobedience', a monstrous anti-Christian belief system founded by post-Christian Yankee transcendentalists.

One other gem I just remembered: there was several threads about the 'pros' and cons of some laughable forum that claimed to combine traditionalism and RAP MUSIC! I posted - you guys cannot be for real - and the relativists tell me that well, alot of us like satanic, black supremacist music, but we're trad too. Hey everyone, with that in mind, I think I am going to become an Anti-Catholic Catholic, because it makes about as much sense.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #96 on:** October 05, 2010, 07:09:33 AM »

Yes, these types are "Neo-Trads". Liberals who prefer the TLM.
They are the reverse of Neo-Caths who are typically conservatives who attend the NO.

Alexandria · « **Reply #97 on:** October 05, 2010, 11:25:59 AM »

Quote

Then you've got AQ where any thread that is controversial (interesting), even if a great informative discussion is being had, is locked. It really is a shame because there are a decent amount of knowledgeable and bright posters there. Maybe we can get those individuals over here.

If the thread is not locked, it turns into ridicule. There are a few resident posters there that turn every serious discussion into ridicule by posting silly pictures. Pity. There was a time about five years ago when that was the best forum around. But Serv took care of that, and now he has what he apparently wanted - a dead forum.

Alexandria · « **Reply #98 on:** October 05, 2010, 11:56:01 AM »

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: Robert de Brus
I stirred up a nasty flamewar for defending something I should not have to on a trad forum

You've just summed up the problem in a nutshell.

Posting there is often pointless because you are trying to convince disingenuous/ immature posters that the sky is blue.

Even if you get a serious intelligent poster to engage in a discussion, the thread is constantly derailed by trolls and cheerleaders.

Then you've got AQ where any thread that is controversial (interesting), even if a great informative discussion is being had, is locked. It really is a shame because there are a decent amount of knowledgeable and bright posters there. Maybe we can get those individuals over here.

AQ isnt too bad, but I dislike their format - painful on the eyes. FE has the prettiest format, and I do actually like the wider variety of forums, but this larger size attracts alot of flakes and phonies. Still alot of good posters over there as I said but alot of bad ones too.

Alot of moral relativism and downright nonsense such as the oxymoron of 'Catholic feminism' - including one poster who claims not to be a fembot but does nothing but rag on men - or the huge number of trads who have decided, on their own, that capital punishment is wrong. This is traditional? Try posting about the anti-Christian 'theology' of Martin Luther King and you'll get jumped on by half the forum. I remember awhile ago one well-meaning poster made an off-hand negative comment about the commie Nelson Mandela and was taken to task. Sorry neo-Trads, or Catholic hobbyists, you cant justify 'civil disobedience', a monstrous anti-Christian belief system founded by post-Christian Yankee transcendentalists.

One other gem I just remembered: there was several threads about the 'pros' and cons of some laughable forum that claimed to combine traditionalism and RAP MUSIC! I posted - you guys cannot be for real - and the relativists tell me that well, alot of us like satanic, black supremacist music, but we're trad too. Hey everyone, with that in mind, I think I am going to become an Anti-Catholic Catholic, because it makes about as much sense.

This is why I dread those people coming here.

Belloc · « **Reply #99 on:** October 05, 2010, 11:59:07 AM »

Me too, we had a few minor invasions, but luckily, not long lasting.....most left..to them, bye now!!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #100 on:** October 05, 2010, 04:27:56 PM »

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Robert de Brus · « **Reply #101 on:** October 05, 2010, 05:15:50 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus
Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass. I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.

But what a joke. Having your children raised by strangers so you can enjoy material goods more is Catholic? Heaven forbid these women sacrifice to do whats best for their children. I dont have much hope that even trads will be able to hold back the revolution if our younger generation ends up like that.

Caraffa · « **Reply #102 on:** October 05, 2010, 06:55:42 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

I'm quite sure that Queen Isabella would have had most of FE tried before the Inquisition for the misuse of her person.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #103 on:** October 05, 2010, 07:23:25 PM »

Quote from: Caraffa

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

I'm quite sure that Queen Isabella would have had most of FE tried before the Inquisition for the misuse of her person.

Agreed.

Caraffa · « **Reply #104 on:** October 05, 2010, 07:39:13 PM »

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: Robert de Brus
Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass. I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.

But what a joke. Having your children raised by strangers so you can enjoy material goods more is Catholic? Heaven forbid these women sacrifice to do whats best for their children. I dont have much hope that even trads will be able to hold back the revolution if our younger generation ends up like that.

There was recently an article on Cathinfo about teenagers and young adults becoming fake Christians, well I have say that we see the same thing with fake Trads. There are a fair amount of people on the internet (including the Remnant sadly, who called the push for the Latin Mass, part of an "international youth movement", OK

), who like to boast about the number of young people at TLMs, but I'm somewhat skeptical. I think many have a mere preference for the TLM or attend it for mere sentimental reasons. They don't really want their hearts and minds changed (metanoeo), they want their relativist, liberal, and worldly assumptions and presuppositions baptized.