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Offline Clovis

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« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2010, 06:17:31 AM »
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  • Something that all the Lew Rockwell fans seem to forget is that the Jєωιѕн influence on the "Austrian school" almost matches that of their influence on early Bolshesvikism but libertarianism never got its Stalin to weed out the "rootless cosmopolitians".

    Maybe I should start refering to "ʝʊdɛօ-Libertarianism" or "ʝʊdɛօ-Paleo-Conversatism"....

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    « Reply #61 on: February 11, 2010, 06:20:24 AM »
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  • Completely over my head Clovis. :sign-surrender:


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    « Reply #62 on: February 11, 2010, 06:34:20 AM »
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    I don't believe for a second that the nαzιs intended to eliminate all the Jews on Earth.


    Hitler was a Jew!  :whistleblower:


    Oh come on.....You know that there are people who believe that the satanic manifestation that was the "Third Reich" was all a Vatitican plot? You wouldnt take the "Two Babalyons" seriously so why that trash?


    Did you watch it?  Where was he wrong?  Can you demonstrate that he was wrong, or point me to resources that would do the same?

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    Not to the end.

    The question more is where was he right?

    Have you ever read any proper biographies of Adolf Hitler?

    You realise that all sorts of fruitcakes with all sorts of spurious "evidence" make google or youtube videos waffling on about everything from aliens genetically engineering us to blasemphous theories about Christ having childern? Should we take them all at face value? If you shouldnt take some at face value despite their "evidence" why take this guy seriously?

    "Democracy" gone wild...

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    « Reply #63 on: February 11, 2010, 06:36:23 AM »
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    Completely over my head Clovis. :sign-surrender:


    Most conspiracy theorists when they arent out and out Hitlerites tend at least in the west to be followers of the mainly Jєωιѕн "Austrian" economnic school which is laughed at with good reasons by actual economic acedemics.

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    « Reply #64 on: February 11, 2010, 06:59:55 AM »
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  • I'm off to bed, at the usual unholy hour of five in the morning -- I must stop doing this -- but CM, I hope you are still here tomorrow!

    I agreed with most of what you said and thanks for getting me to take a look at the Father Martin Stepanich thread.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #65 on: February 11, 2010, 07:11:38 AM »
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    I don't believe for a second that the nαzιs intended to eliminate all the Jews on Earth.


    Hitler was a Jew!  :whistleblower:


    Oh come on.....You know that there are people who believe that the satanic manifestation that was the "Third Reich" was all a Vatitican plot? You wouldnt take the "Two Babalyons" seriously so why that trash?


    Did you watch it?  Where was he wrong?  Can you demonstrate that he was wrong, or point me to resources that would do the same?

    Thanks.


    Not to the end.

    The question more is where was he right?

    Have you ever read any proper biographies of Adolf Hitler?

    You realise that all sorts of fruitcakes with all sorts of spurious "evidence" make google or youtube videos waffling on about everything from aliens genetically engineering us to blasemphous theories about Christ having childern? Should we take them all at face value? If you shouldnt take some at face value despite their "evidence" why take this guy seriously?

    "Democracy" gone wild...


    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #66 on: February 11, 2010, 07:15:53 AM »
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    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....


    Jews only consider you a jew though if your mum is a jew...So that still kind of throws out the whole Adolf as agent of zionism theory.

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    « Reply #67 on: February 11, 2010, 07:31:37 AM »
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    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....


    Jews only consider you a jew though if your mum is a jew...So that still kind of throws out the whole Adolf as agent of zionism theory.


    Christianity makes sense....or when it transcends reason it doesnt go against it.

    Feeneyism and Sedevacantionism also make sense.

    The idea that world history since whatever date you choose has all been carefully orchestrated down to the last detail by some shadowy group of Jews/Freemasons/Jesuits/Frankish aristocrats (a favourite in Greece where I lived) doesnt make sense.

    Why do so many people here consider "Feeneyism" and the fact that manifest heretics cannot hold positions in Christ's Church nuts but not the above?


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    « Reply #68 on: February 11, 2010, 08:34:16 AM »
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    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....


    Jews only consider you a jew though if your mum is a jew...So that still kind of throws out the whole Adolf as agent of zionism theory.


    They saw no matter his his grandfather was, a tool to use.....again, no one is exactly sure who grandpapa was, esp as Hitler leveled the town the affair happened in...

    to your other post-if I get this straight, you beleive in SV, but reject other "conspiracy" theories......hmmm....

    is it illegal in your nation to question or discuss the Shoah at all? is Ireland one of those nations that jails you and destroys you if you say 5 million jews died, instead of the "dogmatic" 6 million figure?
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    « Reply #69 on: February 11, 2010, 08:41:21 AM »
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    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....


    Jews only consider you a jew though if your mum is a jew...So that still kind of throws out the whole Adolf as agent of zionism theory.


    They saw no matter his his grandfather was, a tool to use.....again, no one is exactly sure who grandpapa was, esp as Hitler leveled the town the affair happened in...

    to your other post-if I get this straight, you beleive in SV, but reject other "conspiracy" theories......hmmm....

    is it illegal in your nation to question or discuss the Shoah at all? is Ireland one of those nations that jails you and destroys you if you say 5 million jews died, instead of the "dogmatic" 6 million figure?


    No its legal just like its legal to believe that the "elite" are shape shifting aliens...Of course their are cօռspιʀαcιҽs but thats a different question as to whether there is a conspiracy. By the way the SSPX in Ireland did the decent thing after Bishop Williamson's silly statement and distanced themselves from it.

    SV is not a "conspiracy theory". It is a logical judgement based on public docuмentation that everyone who wants can have access to (such as the Bible for instance). Most of the Novus Ordoites I have talked too dont believe in Transubstanition for instance...Now why would that be?

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    « Reply #70 on: February 11, 2010, 09:27:19 AM »
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  • Yes, SV is a conspiracy theory.

    A conspiracy is two or more men working together toward an end (usually something evil).

    The Catholic Church, FOR SOME REASON happened to start down a Freemasonic path in the 1960's.

    And SOMEHOW, modernism survived the purge of St. Pius X and ended up alive and well 50 years later, with bishops holding its tenets. How did those bishops learn Modernism? Who got the modernist instructors into the seminaries?

    A good theory is that Freemasons infiltrated the Church and/or infected it with their teaching.

    That equals a conspiracy theory -- even if a plausible one. Even if I still take showers, look normal, have no mental issues, I can put forth that "conspiracy theory".

    You've been watching too much Hollywood. There's nothing wrong with putting things together, or having a brain good at figuring things out.

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    « Reply #71 on: February 11, 2010, 09:57:34 AM »
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    Yes, SV is a conspiracy theory.

    A conspiracy is two or more men working together toward an end (usually something evil).

    The Catholic Church, FOR SOME REASON happened to start down a Freemasonic path in the 1960's.

    And SOMEHOW, modernism survived the purge of St. Pius X and ended up alive and well 50 years later, with bishops holding its tenets. How did those bishops learn Modernism? Who got the modernist instructors into the seminaries?

    A good theory is that Freemasons infiltrated the Church and/or infected it with their teaching.


    "To adhere to a false Bishop of Rome is to be out of communion with the Church."

    St. Cyprian

    Was our Holy Father St Cyprian a conspiracy theorist?

    I said that of course there are cօռspιʀαcιҽs and yes there is plenty of hard evidence that Freemasonary is anti-Christian and probably openly satanic past the first degrees and indeed has had a sinster effect on both Church and civic life. However Freemasonary (though in all parts I  believe from the abyss) is not a homogenous group. There are monarchist and even psuedo-Roman Catholic Freemasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9phin_P%C3%A9ladan who was most likely behind the protocols of the elders of zion forgery springs to mind).

    But hey guess what....The vast majiority of the laity embraced modernism...Were/are they all Freemasons too? Somehow I dont think so...So saying its all down to the Freemasons and the jews ultimately doesnt make any real sense.

    I dont watch films. And yes there is nothing wrong with putting things together but believing every crank and paranoid sociopath who spins something together about jews/frankish aristocrats/communists/freemasons/whatever Im not sure is healthy.

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    « Reply #72 on: February 11, 2010, 09:57:40 AM »
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    Htler's grandfather was never really known, but out of the 3-4 people, one at least was a Jєωιѕн wealthy man that may have fathered Alois....may not, but may have......could be why NWO used Hitler as a puppet, could be why Hitler had a irrational racial hatred of jews....


    Jews only consider you a jew though if your mum is a jew...So that still kind of throws out the whole Adolf as agent of zionism theory.


    They saw no matter his his grandfather was, a tool to use.....again, no one is exactly sure who grandpapa was, esp as Hitler leveled the town the affair happened in...

    to your other post-if I get this straight, you beleive in SV, but reject other "conspiracy" theories......hmmm....

    is it illegal in your nation to question or discuss the Shoah at all? is Ireland one of those nations that jails you and destroys you if you say 5 million jews died, instead of the "dogmatic" 6 million figure?


    No its legal just like its legal to believe that the "elite" are shape shifting aliens...Of course their are cօռspιʀαcιҽs but thats a different question as to whether there is a conspiracy. By the way the SSPX in Ireland did the decent thing after Bishop Williamson's silly statement and distanced themselves from it.

    SV is not a "conspiracy theory". It is a logical judgement based on public docuмentation that everyone who wants can have access to (such as the Bible for instance). Most of the Novus Ordoites I have talked too dont believe in Transubstanition for instance...Now why would that be?


    why is it that when discussing cօռspιʀαcιҽs, those that pride themselves on debunking them always ahve to throw in "shape shifting aliens" to strawman and muddy the waters....hmm.....

    So, yo uare a SV, but do not see the role of тαℓмυdism in the V2 problems and Bishop Williamson says and by implication is, "silly".

    Guess than we are not allowed to discuss numbers, methods of death or any other things pretaining to the Shoah? You sound much more V2 liberal than a Trad....bascially rejecting plots against the Church, attacking Williamson, muddying the waters of the Shoah..not exactly Traddie material, much what I would expect in liberal Catholics my friend....
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    « Reply #73 on: February 11, 2010, 09:59:50 AM »
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    Yes, SV is a conspiracy theory.

    A conspiracy is two or more men working together toward an end (usually something evil).

    The Catholic Church, FOR SOME REASON happened to start down a Freemasonic path in the 1960's.

    And SOMEHOW, modernism survived the purge of St. Pius X and ended up alive and well 50 years later, with bishops holding its tenets. How did those bishops learn Modernism? Who got the modernist instructors into the seminaries?

    A good theory is that Freemasons infiltrated the Church and/or infected it with their teaching.


    "To adhere to a false Bishop of Rome is to be out of communion with the Church."

    St. Cyprian

    Was our Holy Father St Cyprian a conspiracy theorist?

    I said that of course there are cօռspιʀαcιҽs and yes there is plenty of hard evidence that Freemasonary is anti-Christian and probably openly satanic past the first degrees and indeed has had a sinster effect on both Church and civic life. However Freemasonary (though in all parts I  believe from the abyss) is not a homogenous group. There are monarchist and even psuedo-Roman Catholic Freemasons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9phin_P%C3%A9ladan who was most likely behind the protocols of the elders of zion forgery springs to mind).

    But hey guess what....The vast majiority of the laity embraced modernism...Were/are they all Freemasons too? Somehow I dont think so...So saying its all down to the Freemasons and the jews ultimately doesnt make any real sense.

    I dont watch films. And yes there is nothing wrong with putting things together but believing every crank and paranoid sociopath who spins something together about jews/frankish aristocrats/communists/freemasons/whatever Im not sure is healthy.


    thats just a conspiracy theory, SV-ism, next you wil ltell us the Popes post-V2 are really shape shifting aliens.....and that there is a conterfeit church.... :gandalf:

    Not too fun is it...
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    « Reply #74 on: February 11, 2010, 10:02:22 AM »
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    why is it that when discussing cօռspιʀαcιҽs, those that pride themselves on debunking them always ahve to throw in "shape shifting aliens" to strawman and muddy the waters....hmm.....

    So, yo uare a SV, but do not see the role of тαℓмυdism in the V2 problems and Bishop Williamson says and by implication is, "silly".

    Guess than we are not allowed to discuss numbers, methods of death or any other things pretaining to the Shoah? You sound much more V2 liberal than a Trad....bascially rejecting plots against the Church, attacking Williamson, muddying the waters of the Shoah..not exactly Traddie material, much what I would expect in liberal Catholics my friend....


    Plenty of people now believe in shape shifting aliens...David Icke is a best seller...A sad reflection on our times and the crisis of authority.

    And guess what Bishop Fellay and the SSPX in Ireland and Germany (and probably in other places) also had problemns with his statements...

    But you have hit the nail on the head in talking about Traddie material...Once upon a time the important thing was not to be "Traddie" or "Conversative" but Christian (which obviously means Catholic)...That what in my better moments I try to be and if that involves seeming liberal or fanatic than so be it.