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Offline Miseremini

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Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
« Reply #75 on: May 06, 2024, 01:25:32 PM »
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  • Thank you. The parents are not saints and should not be imitated.
    The parents were canonized by Francis and their feast day is July 12.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Martin_and_Marie-Az%C3%A9lie_Gu%C3%A9rin
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #76 on: May 06, 2024, 02:15:54 PM »
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  • Thank you. The parents are not saints and should not be imitated.

    I don't know much about St. Therese's mother, but, if I could be half the father that hers was, I'd be thrilled.


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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #77 on: May 06, 2024, 03:54:51 PM »
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  • ... who's fit, handsome, and makes good money.  :laugh1:
    That's correct & mature too! do your sons act immature like you?

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #78 on: May 06, 2024, 03:58:31 PM »
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  • The poor decisions of the mother of St. Maria Goretti led to her horrific death. Yes she is a Saint and her attacker converted but does that mean single mothers should allow their young daughters to live in the same house as creepy unrelated men? No.
    St Maria Goretti was not the child of a single mother. She was born into a regular poor family.

    So, after her father died, it would have been preferable for the family to sleep on the street, instead of sharing a home with another family? 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #79 on: May 06, 2024, 04:01:07 PM »
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  • That's correct & mature too! do your sons act immature like you?

    ... and a sense of humor is also a plus, no?  :facepalm:


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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #80 on: May 06, 2024, 05:13:59 PM »
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  • St Maria Goretti was not the child of a single mother. She was born into a regular poor family.

    So, after her father died, it would have been preferable for the family to sleep on the street, instead of sharing a home with another family?
    At the time of her murder, her mother was not married. She was widowed. She was most certainly a single mother. Sharing a house with two men not related that didnt even work. Very imprudent. 

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #81 on: May 06, 2024, 05:23:38 PM »
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  • Some of the best thoughts on dating and marriage I heard from Fr Kenneth Novak 20 years ago.

    1). When should a young person start dating?  Well, what is the purpose of dating?  To find a spouse.  When should you be looking for a spouse?  When you have the financial and emotional means to support a family.  He said too many parents encourage their children to “date” when they are mere teenagers only to introduce passions and emotions that such young people are not spiritually, physically, of economically able to handle.  This is why even traditional Catholic marriages are often disordered.

    2) Shouldn’t a marriage be 50/50?  No!  A marriage must be 110/110…because we are all expected to give 100% but sometimes…SOMETIMES…our spouse has reasons they just can’t give a 100%, that’s when we have to hanker down and muster up a little extra to make up the difference.  Marriage is not easy period. You have to want to make it work.  If one or two people are only willing to put in 50%, that marriage is doomed before it even starts.  

    3). Most marriages fail due to “self pity”…my spouse isn’t treating me the way I feel I deserve or isn’t doing things or buy things or taking me places…etc.

    ⬆️ Just some food for thought 

    You are not wrong in wanting a spouse who takes care of themselves, works out, exercises etc… I just spoke to a 27 year old young woman who said the same thing…you are not alone.  We are all expected to take care of the body God gave us.  All things in their proper order.

    Good luck in all you do. I will remember you in my next Rosary!

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #82 on: May 06, 2024, 07:16:46 PM »
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  • One last thought on hire education…

    “Follw your dreams” is partial BS.  Follow your dreams, yes, to the point that those dreams are tempered in reality and the end result will be greater than the expense and commitment to get that degree.  If not, you are perusing an expensive hobby, not a career…Know the difference!


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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #83 on: May 06, 2024, 07:40:26 PM »
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  • Some of the best thoughts on dating and marriage I heard from Fr Kenneth Novak 20 years ago.

    1). When should a young person start dating?  Well, what is the purpose of dating?  To find a spouse.  When should you be looking for a spouse?  When you have the financial and emotional means to support a family.  He said too many parents encourage their children to “date” when they are mere teenagers only to introduce passions and emotions that such young people are not spiritually, physically, of economically able to handle.  This is why even traditional Catholic marriages are often disordered.

    2) Shouldn’t a marriage be 50/50?  No!  A marriage must be 110/110…because we are all expected to give 100% but sometimes…SOMETIMES…our spouse has reasons they just can’t give a 100%, that’s when we have to hanker down and muster up a little extra to make up the difference.  Marriage is not easy period. You have to want to make it work.  If one or two people are only willing to put in 50%, that marriage is doomed before it even starts. 

    3). Most marriages fail due to “self pity”…my spouse isn’t treating me the way I feel I deserve or isn’t doing things or buy things or taking me places…etc.

    ⬆️ Just some food for thought

    You are not wrong in wanting a spouse who takes care of themselves, works out, exercises etc… I just spoke to a 27 year old young woman who said the same thing…you are not alone.  We are all expected to take care of the body God gave us.  All things in their proper order.

    Good luck in all you do. I will remember you in my next Rosary!
    I think the pattern we concluding is: Man needs to be ready in the spiritual, emotional, financial. The woman needs to be, well same... but...... younger with preserved virginity?? The ladies don't have to do too much, let's be honest here. So that means what... Guy will most likely be like 7-15 years older? I think so.. That's the benchmark these days. 

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #84 on: May 07, 2024, 12:08:38 AM »
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  • At the time of her murder, her mother was not married. She was widowed. She was most certainly a single mother. Sharing a house with two men not related that didnt even work. Very imprudent.
    Wrong again. 

    Because of poverty and homelessness, in order to survive, the Goretti’s were forced, on the death of her father, to share a home with the Serenelli family, on the farm of Count Mazzoleni. The Serenellis were sharecroppers and Alessandro also worked as a docker. Later, after his repentance he became a Franciscan monk.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #85 on: May 07, 2024, 07:06:37 AM »
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  • One last thought from Fr. Novak to be aware of….

    Often times Satan uses the very thing that attracted us to our spouse and twists it to drive a wedge between us.  I.e.: “He drives a motorcycle.  He’s daring and adventurous.” To “Why are you so careless, you have kids, you shouldn’t be driving a dangerous motorcycle, you shouldn’t be on top of the roof”.  Or “She do sweet, innocent and gentle” to “You’re such a pushover.  Why don’t you stand up for yourself?” 

    The examples could go on and on…”I like them because they are strong and stand up for themselves.” To “They have an opinion about everything, they never shut up.”

    We always have to ask ourselves, is Satan twisting the things that attracted us to our spouse?  Are we falling victim to self pity? (Rhetorical questions, of course).


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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #86 on: May 07, 2024, 08:32:33 AM »
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  • Good posts, Ekim.

    Here's a letter written by a priest in 2001, which might be helpful.  


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    Open Letter To The Engaged...


    Taken from Le Chardonnet, (December 2001) monthly bulletin for the Sociey's parish at Saint Nicolas du Chardonnet, Paris.

    The family circle is the keystone of the social edifice. The peace and prosperity of a country depend upon the stability of the family. The crisis which today's society undergoes can only be resolved by giving back to the family its true place and by restoring to it its rightful values.

    How reassuring and heartening it is for a priest to prepare young couples who, because of a solid Catholic education, have been inclined to virtue since childhood. The priest then has almost nothing to add; the souls are ready, everything is simple... But unfortunately, it must be remarked that even amongst us, Traditionalists, we encounter ever more frequently families under stress, spouses who become separated after a few years of marriage.  These tragedies have causes - which I would like to point out here.

    The matrimonial unit must rest upon a natural compatibility.  Also, it is of extreme importance that the fiancés come from the same social background and that they have received the same education.  It is an error to believe that the harmony of religious convictions will sublimate these natural differences.  I will always remember a reflection addressed to me by a man separated from his wife: "Above all tell your fiancés to marry within their milieu".  No, this is neither worldliness, nor snobbishness, but common sense!  If there exists too great of a difference between fiancés, when married they will annoy one another and the one will become ashamed of the other.  The husband must be proud of his wife and vice-versa.  I can assure you that the little importance attached to this condition is the origin of many misfortunes.

    Of course this is not the only condition.  There must exist a true religious harmony amongst the future spouses.  It would be unthinkable to consider a marriage if the couple did not practice their religion together from the time of their engagement.  Many are aware of this and we can see young people returning to the practice of their religion, thanks to the example of the other.  But do not be fooled.  That which in this domain is not obtained before the marriage will never, or very rarely, be obtained later on.  Fiancés, understand clearly that it is your duty to assist at Mass every Sunday, and to go to confession and Communion regularly, and this is to be done before your marriage.  If you do not share the same religious convictions and the same analysis of the crisis of the Church, you will be led sooner or later to oppose one another on these subjects and to argue in front of the children, who risk suffering gravely from it.  In a home one may compromise about many things, but never about the attachment to the Catholic truth and to its Tradition. Thus, for example, a fiance absolutely may not attend the New Mass in order to please her whom he loves. We, as priests, see too many parents unhappy because they neglected this condition during the time of their engagement.

    It is also important, for the perpetuity of the family life, that the spouses keep their autonomy with respect to their own families.  The book of Genesis expresses just this when it states, "The man will leave his father and his mother and will cling to his wife and they will become one flesh".  Likewise, it is unthinkable to imagine a marriage in which the future husband will not have an employment which will permit him, as head of the family, to take care of its material needs; it is a question of common sense and of honour!  Financial dependence that entails persons outside of the home is always detrimental because it destroys its autonomy and engenders numerous tensions.

    The existing egalitarianism tramples underfoot another truth which I would like to emphasise.  There exists in the family a hierarchy; the father is the head, and in order to be respected he must be worthy of it.  He will make his spouse a partner in his decisions and will avoid making them in an egoistic solitude.  As far as the wife is concerned, she will submit herself to her husband, as St. Paul demands.  It is not a question of servile obedience but rather a submission with free consent, because it is the will of God.  The odious egalitarianism, such as is proclaimed today, is one of the principal causes of divorce in families because of its source of independence, of envy and of jealousy.  The husband is the head of the family and must remain so; the wife is its heart. In a body, the head and the heart are not equal but rather complimentary and indissociable.  Fiancés! Accept from henceforth this truth, it will help you to live harmoniously.  It is also necessary that you be convinced, you, future heads of the family, that your spouse and your children will be the apple of your eye and that they must be preferred before your work.  The one will have need of your assistance in the education of your children and the others will have need of your authority and of your availability.  From the time of your engagement, see to it that your work be compatible with your obligations of a future father.  Too many homes are disquiet because the spouse enters too late in the evening.  Beware, from now on, you, the men, of those domestic computers which take too much from you, and you, the wives, of that cursed television which hinders all family discussion.  The lack of communication in a house creates fissures, which become crevices and then abysses that time and the passions render impassable.

    The secret of family happiness lies in the spirit of Christian sacrifice.  It's necessary that both know how to forget themselves, in a reciprocal and chaste love, beginning from the time of the engagement.  Then the grace of the marriage will be able to completely blossom.  And if one day a trial comes upon you, it will not separate one from the other, but on the contrary, will strengthen your union.  Know for certain that the Church expects much from you.  It is in your future home that will be formed the saints, the elite, which are so lacking in our impious times.  The example of the Holy Family, which you will contemplate during the time of Advent and Christmas, will help you.


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    Re: Young Catholics are being pressured...
    « Reply #87 on: May 07, 2024, 12:57:26 PM »
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  • Wrong again.

    Because of poverty and homelessness, in order to survive, the Goretti’s were forced, on the death of her father, to share a home with the Serenelli family, on the farm of Count Mazzoleni. The Serenellis were sharecroppers and Alessandro also worked as a docker. Later, after his repentance he became a Franciscan monk.
    Also Assunta was bound by her husband's contract to the Count and the Serenellis and Gorettis lived in separate wings of the building.
    In the book " Penitant" on Alessandro. he was heavily into pornography (such as it was then) and because he could read (accounts of murder etc) he believed murder was part of passion.  He details how Maria's assault and murder were planned well in advance.  No one could have protected Maria from him.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]