Author Topic: Women playing sports Working Out (Read 22692 times)

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #120 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:03:30 PM »

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I don't see the connection between a single woman working and/or going to college, and the current trend to delay marriage and family.

College is expensive. If you are planning to marry and raise children it is a lot of debt for nothing. Very few institutions are going to provide the type of education a Catholic should want. My first day of Philosophy class the professor presented an argument for the morality of infanticide. Not just abortion, but the suffocating of newborns as a means to fight poverty. Even many "Catholic" colleges have liberal American-Jesuit professors who think they are above dogma and tell everyone to follow their heart or their poorly calibrated conscience. Their collar is meaningless. If they even bother to put it on, that is.

An 18 year old woman has little to gain from that environment and so much to lose. That doesn't mean she can't read, study, travel, and learn and perfect her domestic skills, all while still living at home and praying for marriage.

We will just have to agree to disagree. I may be a little biased and bitter.

Tiffany · « **Reply #121 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:17:48 PM »

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I think gyms shoudl be divded by sex too. Unfortunately I don't have a ladies gym available to me.

nor men-only for me....we then have to do what we can and as I have been sick and not able to go for 2 weeks, getting really out of shape quick......wish this crud would depart and drink the poison somewhere else ,hate to have to build back up.....and lose ground....

Hope you feel better soon.

Scriptorium · « **Reply #122 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:49:41 PM »

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I would like to kindly point out that you misquoted me in the first quote. That first paragraph is not mine.

I apologize for the mix-up.

Scriptorium · « **Reply #123 on:** August 02, 2012, 04:55:49 PM »

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I don't see the connection between a single woman working and/or going to college, and the current trend to delay marriage and family.

College is expensive. If you are planning to marry and raise children it is a lot of debt for nothing. Very few institutions are going to provide the type of education a Catholic should want. My first day of Philosophy class the professor presented an argument for the morality of infanticide. Not just abortion, but the suffocating of newborns as a means to fight poverty. Even many "Catholic" colleges have liberal American-Jesuit professors who think they are above dogma and tell everyone to follow their heart or their poorly calibrated conscience. Their collar is meaningless. If they even bother to put it on, that is.

An 18 year old woman has little to gain from that environment and so much to lose. That doesn't mean she can't read, study, travel, and learn and perfect her domestic skills, all while still living at home and praying for marriage.

We will just have to agree to disagree. I may be a little biased and bitter.

I don't disagree with you. I am not saying people have to do these things. And I would never advise a woman to make dumb decisions because she feels like she needs to go to college or something. We need to make wise decisions. I don't think women who do not have familial responsibilities should be categorically excluded.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #124 on:** August 02, 2012, 05:41:39 PM »

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Another masculine quality is logical thinking. I think for a REAL MAN it is obvious that this is a logical fallacy. Even some women can tell.

No just Mith and I don't like eachother personally.

Actually, tradguy, I haven't an opinion on you "personally." But I'm bothered and annoyed at your unfailing and invariable manner of posting which consists of making (usually outrageous) claims that you can't logically justify. Attempts that you DO make to justify your claims involve you writing off people who disagree with you as liberals or feminists and drastically shifting the goalposts. I find many of your posts to be disingenuous and not motivated by any real interest in anything other than blindly and bluntly enforcing the same thoughts that you continually fail to justify.

Jaynek · « **Reply #125 on:** August 02, 2012, 06:08:03 PM »

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Longterm strength training will raise your basal testosterone, and you may tend to be more aggressive as a result. You've probably considered this though.

A natural increase in testosterone from exercise is not likely to cause more aggressiveness than I can control. It has the benefit of giving more energy which is something I really need.

Well, I'm not talking about momentary spurts of anger, the issue would be becoming a basically more masculine woman over time without noticing it. It is part of the basic issue with women going into manly sports like football or strength training.

I haven't come across anything about this. Could you please link to some sources or cite some research so I can look into this further?

Competitive, violent sports like football train women to develop those qualities. I think they are inappropriate for women for that reason. I have not heard about them affecting hormones, but I never seriously considered them so I have not looked into them.

Women (and men) need some kind of strength training as they age in order to maintain health. Without it we become susceptible to debilitating weakness, brittle bones, obesity and many other illnesses. Much of what is commonly thought of as "normal" problems of aging is actually due to lack of proper exercise. (And much is due to unhealthy diet.) I have come across information about strength training affecting hormones but not in a negative way, unless it is a situation of over-training.

Jaynek · « **Reply #126 on:** August 02, 2012, 06:14:25 PM »

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It's just a matter of opinion as to how best to accomplish it. To some, it seems unfeminine to be doing squats with a big barbell. If it is just for health and general fitness and toning then hand weights, a kettle ball, and resistance bands are more than sufficient and can be done in the privacy of your own home.

I apologize if my opinion has offended any female lifters. Even some very modern men aren't big into women hanging out in a weight room and lifting big weights, the same way (despite their modernism) they aren't advocating for women NFL players. It is just a matter of preference and feeling as to what is or is not feminine. Plyometrics probably aren't very feminine either, so I am examining those workouts myself.

Speaking for myself, I am not offended. You have a right to your opinions and you express yourself reasonably and courteously.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #127 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:03:55 PM »

Excercise is good. It is better then being out of shape and overweight.
Everything in moderation.

Yes, as women we would should make our home our priority.

Anyone watching the Olympics?

Go team USA

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #128 on:** August 03, 2012, 07:12:11 AM »

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I would like to kindly point out that you misquoted me in the first quote. That first paragraph is not mine.

I apologize for the mix-up.

No big deal. :)

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Could YOU imagine women playing football or baseball or boxing? I could not. It would be beyond strange.

Hey, didn't they have a powder-puff game during homecoming week at your school? :smile:

I guess the public schools around here have stopped calling it powder-puff because it is sexist. Pretty soon it won't even exist.

Belloc · « **Reply #129 on:** August 03, 2012, 08:18:37 AM »

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Excercise is good. It is better then being out of shape and overweight.
Everything in moderation.

Yes, as women we would should make our home our priority.

Anyone watching the Olympics?

Go team USA

True, woemn are better in the home and Church if they are in shape and thin. easier to have children and keep up with them......that said, would agree that butchy-types need not be. Some women I see at gym and elsewhere working out to much, looking and acting too manish.....likely too many male hormones flowing and supplemented......

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #130 on:** August 03, 2012, 08:30:23 AM »

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Hey, didn't they have a powder-puff game during homecoming week at your school? :smile:

I guess the public schools around here have stopped calling it powder-puff because it is sexist. Pretty soon it won't even exist.

Ugh don't remind me. :tv-disturbed:

Most of the guys laughed that off anyway, as something the girls couldn't do.

And considering that there is sex education, even for kindergarteners :tv-disturbed: the public school is a catechism for the Frankfurt School and the counterculture.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #131 on:** August 03, 2012, 09:09:49 AM »

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College is expensive. If you are planning to marry and raise children it is a lot of debt for nothing. Very few institutions are going to provide the type of education a Catholic should want. My first day of Philosophy class the professor presented an argument for the morality of infanticide. Not just abortion, but the suffocating of newborns as a means to fight poverty. Even many "Catholic" colleges have liberal American-Jesuit professors who think they are above dogma and tell everyone to follow their heart or their poorly calibrated conscience. Their collar is meaningless. If they even bother to put it on, that is.

An 18 year old woman has little to gain from that environment and so much to lose. That doesn't mean she can't read, study, travel, and learn and perfect her domestic skills, all while still living at home and praying for marriage.

We will just have to agree to disagree. I may be a little biased and bitter.

I'd like to add to your post that a career leads to a woman definitely holding off marriage, thinking she has the 'good life' now with the money and doesn't need a man to support her. Even worse under affirmative action women will get the job over men so a man wanting to start a family will be stripped of his duties and responsibilities by women holding jobs.

Graham · « **Reply #132 on:** August 03, 2012, 09:22:06 PM »

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Longterm strength training will raise your basal testosterone, and you may tend to be more aggressive as a result. You've probably considered this though.

A natural increase in testosterone from exercise is not likely to cause more aggressiveness than I can control. It has the benefit of giving more energy which is something I really need.

Well, I'm not talking about momentary spurts of anger, the issue would be becoming a basically more masculine woman over time without noticing it. It is part of the basic issue with women going into manly sports like football or strength training.

I haven't come across anything about this. Could you please link to some sources or cite some research so I can look into this further?

Competitive, violent sports like football train women to develop those qualities. I think they are inappropriate for women for that reason. I have not heard about them affecting hormones, but I never seriously considered them so I have not looked into them.

Although it is true that the body responds to different requirements by raising and lowering different hormones (and this should be obvious once you consider it), within limits of course, I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. The issue is a woman becoming basically more masculine through sport, whether this is due to an increase in basal testosterone or a more violent attitude or both.

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Women (and men) need some kind of strength training as they age in order to maintain health. Without it we become susceptible to debilitating weakness, brittle bones, obesity and many other illnesses. Much of what is commonly thought of as "normal" problems of aging is actually due to lack of proper exercise. (And much is due to unhealthy diet.) I have come across information about strength training affecting hormones but not in a negative way, unless it is a situation of over-training.

I don't disagree, and I'm at fault for using the term strength training incorrectly. I was referring to doing heavy compound lifts, which raise testosterone levels the most.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #133 on:** August 03, 2012, 09:55:32 PM »

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Hey, didn't they have a powder-puff game during homecoming week at your school? :smile:

I guess the public schools around here have stopped calling it powder-puff because it is sexist. Pretty soon it won't even exist.

Ugh don't remind me. :tv-disturbed:

Most of the guys laughed that off anyway, as something the girls couldn't do.

And considering that there is sex education, even for kindergarteners :tv-disturbed: the public school is a catechism for the Frankfurt School and the counterculture.

Sex education for kindergartners???!! That is so sick.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #134 on:** August 04, 2012, 12:04:52 AM »

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Sex education for kindergartners???!! That is so sick.

Hmm mmm. Found out that little "bag of joy" when my little sister came home one day talking about her privates from the public school.

It goes right back to Georg Lukacs and his "cultural Marxist terrorism" of supporting "sex education" for children.