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Offline InfiniteFaith

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Who are our neighbors?
« on: September 07, 2015, 06:14:26 PM »
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  • Christ states that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. But who are our neighbors? The family living next door to your house? Other Baptized, true believing Catholics? All Baptized believing Christians? Everyone in general?

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    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2015, 06:24:24 PM »
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  • St. Paul teaches us to do good to all people, not only believers.

    Galatians 6:10 "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

    Likewise, St. Peter teaches to show respect to all people.

    1 Peter 2:17 "Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."

    This of course ties in with universal salvific will of God (1 Timothy 4:10, 1 John 2:2, Hebrews 2:9) - we should show love to everyone, sicne God is willing to save every single person in our way.


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    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2015, 07:30:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Arvinger
    St. Paul teaches us to do good to all people, not only believers.

    Galatians 6:10 "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

    Likewise, St. Peter teaches to show respect to all people.

    1 Peter 2:17 "Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor."

    This of course ties in with universal salvific will of God (1 Timothy 4:10, 1 John 2:2, Hebrews 2:9) - we should show love to everyone, sicne God is willing to save every single person in our way.


    I am going to play the skeptic role and bring about some questions concerning  the verses you quoted. Note how in Galatians it says "especially to..the family of believers".

    In this verse, and and in the others, there seems to be a distinction between believer and non believer on some level. Yes I think we should love non believers. It says that we should love even our enemies. But do we love them as our neighbors and ourselves? I'm not so sure this question has been answered. I ask because it seems that if we treat every single person the same then would that not lead to ƈσmmυɳιsm? ƈσmmυɳιsm being, of course, against Catholic teaching.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2015, 07:35:20 PM »
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  • I think Bishop Williamson's recent letter is relevant to this thread Here is a link to it.
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    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2015, 07:57:11 PM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Christ states that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. But who are our neighbors? The family living next door to your house? Other Baptized, true believing Catholics? All Baptized believing Christians? Everyone in general?


    Obviously, the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't apply here....


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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 06:12:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
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    Christ states that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. But who are our neighbors? The family living next door to your house? Other Baptized, true believing Catholics? All Baptized believing Christians? Everyone in general?


    Obviously, the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't apply here....

    Why not?


    It's call sarcasm.  Providing the dumbest answer one possibly can to an incredibly dumb question.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2015, 06:39:15 AM »
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  • Catechism of Trent on the Fifth Commandment
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    Love Of Neighbour Inculcated

    The mandatory part of this Commandment, as Christ our Lord enjoins, requires that we have peace with all men. Interpreting the Commandment He says: If therefore thou offer thy gift at the altar, and there thou remember that thy brother hath anything against thee; leave there thy offering before the altar, and go first to be reconciled to thy brother, and then coming thou shalt offer thy gift, etc.

    Charity To All Commanded

    In explaining this admonition, the pastor should show that it inculcates the duty of charity towards all without exception. In his instruction on the precept he should exhort the faithful as much as possible to the practice of this virtue, since it is especially included in this precept. For since hatred is clearly forbidden by this Commandment, as whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer, it follows, as an evident consequence, that the Commandment also inculcates charity and love.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2015, 06:55:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
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    Christ states that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. But who are our neighbors? The family living next door to your house? Other Baptized, true believing Catholics? All Baptized believing Christians? Everyone in general?


    Obviously, the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't apply here....

    Why not?


    It's call sarcasm.  Providing the dumbest answer one possibly can to an incredibly dumb question.


    Yes exactly.

    The exact question of this thread was put to Our Lord and Our Lord answered it. Read Luke 10:29-37
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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2015, 08:25:15 AM »
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    Christ states that we should love our neighbor as ourselves. But who are our neighbors? The family living next door to your house? Other Baptized, true believing Catholics? All Baptized believing Christians? Everyone in general?


    Obviously, the parable of the Good Samaritan doesn't apply here....

    Why not?


    It's call sarcasm.  Providing the dumbest answer one possibly can to an incredibly dumb question.


    It's something I have been wondering about for a long time.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2015, 10:04:38 AM »
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  • As others have pointed out, Our Lord Himself answered this question directly:

    Quote from: St. Luke 10:29-36
    But he willing to justify himself, said to Jesus: And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering, said: A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, who also stripped him, and having wounded him went away, leaving him half dead. And it chanced, that a certain priest went down the same way: and seeing him, passed by. In like manner also a Levite, when he was near the place and saw him, passed by. But a certain Samaritan being on his journey, came near him; and seeing him, was moved with compassion. And going up to him, bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine: and setting him upon his own beast, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And the next day he took out two pence, and gave to the host, and said: Take care of him; and whatsoever thou shalt spend over and above, I, at my return, will repay thee. Which of these three, in thy opinion, was neighbour to him that fell among the robbers? But he said: He that shewed mercy to him. And Jesus said to him: Go, and do thou in like manner.


    The Haydock Commentary for this parable also has some insight:

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    Ver. 29. Neighbour? It appears this was a celebrated controversy among the doctors of the law; some probably affirming, that the Jews only were so; while others maintained that their friends alone were their neighbours. (Maldonatus)

    Ver. 30. A certain man, &c. This some would have to be a history: others rather judge it spoken by way of parable, to teach us to perform offices of charity towards all men without exception. (Witham) --- Were we to adhere to the mere words of this parable, it would seem to follow, that only those who do us good were to be esteemed our neighbours; for the context seems to intimate, that the Levite and the priest were not neighbours to the man who fell among the robbers, because they did not assist him. But according to the opinion of most fathers, the intent of this parable is the shew, that every person who has need of our assistance is our neighbour. (Maldonatus)

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    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2015, 10:20:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Dolores
    As others have pointed out, Our Lord Himself answered this question directly:

    Quote from: St. Luke 10:29-36
    But he willing to justify himself, said to Jesus: And who is my neighbour? And Jesus answering, said: A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, who also stripped him, and having wounded him went away, leaving him half dead. And it chanced, that a certain priest went down the same way: and seeing him, passed by. In like manner also a Levite, when he was near the place and saw him, passed by. But a certain Samaritan being on his journey, came near him; and seeing him, was moved with compassion. And going up to him, bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine: and setting him upon his own beast, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And the next day he took out two pence, and gave to the host, and said: Take care of him; and whatsoever thou shalt spend over and above, I, at my return, will repay thee. Which of these three, in thy opinion, was neighbour to him that fell among the robbers? But he said: He that shewed mercy to him. And Jesus said to him: Go, and do thou in like manner.


    The Haydock Commentary for this parable also has some insight:

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    Ver. 29. Neighbour? It appears this was a celebrated controversy among the doctors of the law; some probably affirming, that the Jews only were so; while others maintained that their friends alone were their neighbours. (Maldonatus)

    Ver. 30. A certain man, &c. This some would have to be a history: others rather judge it spoken by way of parable, to teach us to perform offices of charity towards all men without exception. (Witham) --- Were we to adhere to the mere words of this parable, it would seem to follow, that only those who do us good were to be esteemed our neighbours; for the context seems to intimate, that the Levite and the priest were not neighbours to the man who fell among the robbers, because they did not assist him. But according to the opinion of most fathers, the intent of this parable is the shew, that every person who has need of our assistance is our neighbour. (Maldonatus)


    I never once disputed making acts of charity towards all people. I was questioning whether or not our love for others should be the same for all people or different depending on who the person is. Obviously we must love the Lord above ourselves and our neighbors. That being one example of there being an order of how we should love. Someone posted a link to Bishop Williamson's opinion on there being an order to charity earlier in this thread. This was the answer to my question. It's not a stupid question as some are indicating. Thomas Aquinas himself addressed this sort of question.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2015, 10:28:26 AM »
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    I never once disputed making acts of charity towards all people. I was questioning whether or not our love for others should be the same for all people or different depending on who the person is. Obviously we must love the Lord above ourselves and our neighbors. That being one example of there being an order of how we should love. Someone posted a link to Bishop Williamson's opinion on there being an order to charity earlier in this thread. This was the answer to my question. It's not a stupid question as some are indicating. Thomas Aquinas himself addressed this sort of question.


    If that's what you wanted to know, then why isn't that the question you asked in the OP? You asked "who is our neighbor?" And that is the answer you got.  :confused1:
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    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2015, 11:24:59 AM »
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    I never once disputed making acts of charity towards all people. I was questioning whether or not our love for others should be the same for all people or different depending on who the person is. Obviously we must love the Lord above ourselves and our neighbors. That being one example of there being an order of how we should love. Someone posted a link to Bishop Williamson's opinion on there being an order to charity earlier in this thread. This was the answer to my question. It's not a stupid question as some are indicating. Thomas Aquinas himself addressed this sort of question.


    If that's what you wanted to know, then why isn't that the question you asked in the OP? You asked "who is our neighbor?" And that is the answer you got.  :confused1:


    I wanted to know who our neighbors are so that I would know whether or not I should love all people equally or differently. Knowing who our neighbors are is sufficient enough to determine the rest. If everyone is our neighbor then we must love everyone equally. If only some people are our neighbor then charity should be practiced discriminately. It appears that some people in this thread thought that everyone is our neighbor. While Bishop Williamson's letter expresses the contrary.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2015, 12:31:59 PM »
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  • This thread just makes me want to marry an Asian woman that much more.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 08, 2015, 12:42:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    I wanted to know who our neighbors are so that I would know whether or not I should love all people equally or differently. Knowing who our neighbors are is sufficient enough to determine the rest. If everyone is our neighbor then we must love everyone equally. If only some people are our neighbor then charity should be practiced discriminately. It appears that some people in this thread thought that everyone is our neighbor. While Bishop Williamson's letter expresses the contrary.

    Well, that doesn't follow. Why should loving everyone mean loving them all equally? No one does that.


     

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