Why dredge this loathsome paean to Americanist petite bourgeois materialism of a thread back up from its well earned grave?

I wonder, if Ebola becomes the horror that everyone imagines, I wonder if I ought to stay in medical.  

I suppose I could x-ray pipe welds, but that requires travel.  

If you cannot find a way to earn a living in a rich country of 300,000,000 people with 50 different states you can work in where they all speak your language, then frankly you are a waste of space.

I would agree if you modified your statement, by what you mean by work. Good discussions often start with the defining of your terms. Work can be both physical and intellectual. I tend to see many who do tough manual labor, and they disdain those who earn a living in a nice office job with air conditioning. I think this sort of simplistic view, leads to unnecessary class conflict. Take a look at Spain where over half and in some regions even more of the youngsters are unemployed. This is more true where statism is strongest, and where the only and best jobs available are government jobs. Some people have "jobs" but they have like 3 or 4 jobs, working 10-20 hours in each one. Just to make "ends" meet, and I am not sure if that person was very smart in his life choices or what precisely got him to that point. In order to earn your full living, you usually have to work full time and above. Also, even working full time and earning minimum you will need some parental assistance. So sometimes someone would sacrifice lets say a few years of using their time wisely, and then get into the work force with highly paid skills. My point is that, to just simply condemn everyone who is currently unemployed, there might be good and valid reasons why they are currently unemployed. Sometimes it would be smarter in certain cases for them to study, in some cases its the wrong choice. The point is that studying, volunteering, part time work, works of mercy and many other things do not fall under the scope of earning your living. Therefore you are putting a burden to other's that is quite frankly stupid. It is too simplistic, and does not take into account many well thought out decisions that individuals have made in their own life/goals/choices. Ultimately, you have to learn to respect what others have thought out as what they want in life, so long as it is not sinful. Then there are also those who are currently earning their living, but its in sinful employments. So folks who work at porn shops, or girls who are currently going to college and stripping. So you would need to add an additional modifier, by saying an "honest" living.

Let him who does not work, let him not eat. The Apostle is pretty clear, but there are several different types of work. There are many who are volunteers, and they help out in different ways their family etc... They might not be getting paid like a 9-5 PM job, there are also many who help out the priest in so many ways. They make his job easier of attending to souls, others teach catechism, etc... Some might even choose to work part time, and since they are in their conversion process they choose to use their free time to study the faith and think deeply about their previous life choices. Unless you are a Doctor, Lawyer etc... Most people in the world are wage earners, and they are not their own bosses so the only way in which you can earn your living is working full time.

There are other's who choose to self-study and teach themselves the skills necessary to earn a good wage. Instead of getting themselves in more debt by going to a University. If you mean people that waste their time, and do nothing productive to society, then yes they are not only a waste of space, but air, food, water.

Not everyone can earn their own full living, and pay for all of their expenses. This includes men, and also women. This of course applies even more to women, who earn lower wages then men, generally speaking. Unless of course, the woman in question is 100% dedicated to her career then she does earn the same amount as her male counterparts. Just look at the rise of folks who are force to live at home, and in Europe this is even worse. We are talking about people who are in their 40's, and so forth. Nothing wrong with that, I am not condemning them. I am just telling you that your black and white post, seems to condemn many to being a waste of space, because of how unclear you were in your post.

Think of also those folks who were in the seminary for several years, and in general are stuck in very low paying jobs after they get out. When if they would have gone instead to a secular University they would have been better off. So don't equate earning your full living, with making the right choices. For there are many, that can't earn their living precisely because they are so generous with their time.

There is also the possibility that the men in question, were never indeed raised properly. Instead they were allowed throughout their whole youth, to pretty much attend public school and play video games all day, because the parents were too lazy to do some parenting or maybe it was a single mother, who almost by necessity was forced to such a state.

The best thing to do, is to simply refrain from making uncharitable remarks  :judge:. Now if you are a female who is angry, that there are no suitable bachelors because there are a bunch of men who can't even keep a job, or want to work. Then my sympathies are with you, I am sure you will find someone who is worthy of your virtue/standards. If you are not a female, and you were just making general remarks, then my apologies. I am sure there is some female out there who has similar sentiments to the original poster.

I know this is the sort of reaction that a bunch of older people have towards the younger generation. This is a bit unfair for many reasons, all the problems we have are as a result of their huge irresponsibility. We have inherited debt, before being born and the future generations are having the same problem. Immigrants used to be able to come, and if they could inhale/exhale they were given a job.

Some police departments get over 4,000 applicants and only about 50 or less are accepted. Many of the good jobs, which most people obviously want are extremely competitive. There is also the problem if you have a degree, and you want to work at McDonald's they won't tend to hire you because they need to pay you even more because you are overqualified. Then there is the secondary problem even if you manage to get hired, you have to pay back your debt and earning such a low wage you will never do that within a reasonable amount of time. So sometimes it can be better to wait a bit, and throw your net a bit wider and see what you catch, which usually means some waiting period. So that some people could be stuck in a limbo type of situation for a few months, even up to a year. Meanwhile they transition into the workforce after graduating, or after being relieved from their previous job.

As can be seen to anyone who has read my post, it is clearly not so black and white. Sometimes older people can be real snobs, and idealize how things were back then. When you go back and think about it, its illogical, emotional and riddled with so many problems.

Many previous industries are being destroyed also, so that even future PhD students and even low skill work will be unemployed in the economy of the future. Where many jobs will be taken away essentially by someone who eliminated your task by automating it with some sort of algorithm. Just look at what capitalist are currently doing in response to McDonald's workers who are striking that want higher wages. They are going to replace them with robots, who are much cheaper. They can get higher quality meat into their buns, better service, more burgers flipped, and ultimately lower prices to the consumer. Some jobs, quite frankly should not even be there. Think of all the previous industries that were created and are no longer there. The milk man, alarm clock guy who would knock on your window, elevator guy, door men, journalist jobs (an industry you do not want to be in right now), grocery bagger, gasoline pumper guy and so many jobs that in the end added little to no utility. Rightfully so, and good that this wasted human energy input could be put into better use.

I could go on, but I think I have said enough.

A Traditional Catholic should never, EVER, engage in "job snobbery".  Honest work is honest work.  

Ggreg is a wise worldling.  He really does focus on the world a little too much.  However, having said that, his advice is very good advice and most people would benefit if they read his posts without reading too much into it.  Ggreg isn't speaking about the status of someone's soul but he is highlighting a deficiency.  Men must either be employed in some manner, or seeking employment, or preparing themselves for employment.  The employment could be self-employed or a company man.  The only criteria being that it be honest work and not something that would be a cause of temptation.  

Men who are unemployed should really take a good hard look at themselves and make sure that they are doing the right thing.  An examination of conscience is always in order.  If someone is so-called unemployable, they need to honestly tackle their deficiencies to them become employable.  It's not hard, but it does take work.  And time too.  

None of this is in effect for the ladies out there.  

Excellent summary! I completely agree with this, it answered all my initial observations I laid out in my previous posts. I bolded the most important sentence, is that ultimately we must do everything in our power to get employed. God will know the difference, whether you really honestly did try or did not.

Most important thing for marriage suitability is the ability to have had stable employment for two years. Most important problem in a marriage is if the husband can't find work, this is truly the breakdown of the family. Work is extremely essential for a man, who lives in the world. If you are a priest or a religious, your work is laid out for you. You are to be a pastor of souls or to be a full emulation of the evangelical vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. There is lots of work in the monastic life, and it is hard work, it never stops.

Yes, I think those people reading ggreg's posting, should instead of being offended. Take into account that he offers very good worldly wisdom. So far from what I have read, it looks like very good advice.

Problem is with lots of jobs out there, there is no sort of job security many times in the private sector. Its sometimes nice and cozy in the public sector with all the benefits it entails etc... When it comes to family, job security is the most important element. For it is better to be paid less, and be secured a job for a long time. Then to earn a higher wage and potentially be kicked out at any moment. This danger of course could be reduced, by saving your money in case of a bad case scenario.

Schools really should include courses in personal financing and fiscal responsibility. I learned things the hard way, but it can make a huge difference down the years.