Author Topic: Tradition In Action Disagrees with Williamson on women going to college (Read 17870 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #60 on:** January 25, 2013, 09:12:06 PM »

The problem is, most "Catholic" colleges and schools aren't truly Catholic nowadays.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #61 on:** January 26, 2013, 12:05:52 AM »

Quote from: brainglitch

Yes, children can certainly learn a great deal independently, but for most children that is not the case for advanced subjects.

And please don't get me started on the Saxon series. That series was a product of 60's thinking that children could learn merely by absorption, without learning in an incremental, concrete manner, moving from more basic topics to more complex. I used Saxon up until 11th grade and hated it. Once I got different textbooks my grades shot up. I have talked to numerous other students and every single one of them despised the Saxon math series. Why on earth anyone recommends them is beyond me.

I wholeheartedly agree with this part of your quote. Saxon Math is USELESS and confusing, and there's no rhyme or reason to it. The person who put this series together made a boatload of money keeping children ignorant in a logical progression of mathematics.

The most useful place for a Saxon Math book is a book burning party.

Kaesekopf · « **Reply #62 on:** January 26, 2013, 01:28:19 AM »

Quote from: Catechist99

Have any of you the experience of actually living on a college campus? I do. I wasn't a drinker/partyer type but EVERYONE else was. And the...how can I put this delicately....the "swapping" that went on, smoking, very loud hip hop thug music, drugs, crime.............

This was at a small midwestern COMMUNITY COLLEGE for pete's sake. Even if your daughter isn't doing these things herself, trust me, she is sharing a room with another young woman who comes in drunk at 3 am and is inviting guys in for some very noisy activities. Or she's being propositioned by other females to engage in sodomy. And the RM's don't do a thing about it.

Maybe you should consider an online university.

I've attended a small Midwestern engineering school and no, not every one is having unprotected sex with multiple partners while smoking dope.

I've had a number of roommates over the years, and not one of them has ever brought a woman back for... amorous activities.

And, online universities are crap. Most of them are for-profit and offer NOTHING except an overpriced piece of paper that gets you nothing.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #63 on:** January 26, 2013, 01:36:02 AM »

Quote from: Kaesekopf

I've attended a small Midwestern engineering school

First off all you were a male of college age, secondly you were at a small engineering school.

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I've had a number of roommates over the years, and not one of them has ever brought a woman back

Again, see first response.

Catechist99 is telling us what things look like from the woman's perspective.

I have no doubt she is telling the truth. I also have no doubt you're telling the truth.

Incidentally, no one is arguing against young men going to engineering school.

(although I would suggest it's not a good choice for those who are not so inclined)

Kaesekopf · « **Reply #64 on:** January 26, 2013, 01:39:23 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Kaesekopf
I've attended a small Midwestern engineering school

First off all you're male, secondly you were at a small engineering school.

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I've had a number of roommates over the years, and not one of them has ever brought a woman back

Again, see first response.

Well, Catechist was smearing an entire group of people wrongfully.

And the women I knew at engineering school (the vast majority of them) were not sɛҳuąƖly active and they chose their roommates appropriately. Typically, the "loose women" would move off campus.

Kaesekopf · « **Reply #65 on:** January 26, 2013, 01:40:20 AM »

Catechist is a woman? O.o

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #66 on:** January 26, 2013, 09:54:35 AM »

I've lived on a college campus. My experience is much like Catechist99's.

Sometimes I'm confused by the tone of "it can't be that bad" when it comes to this subject.

I'm not sure what practical value a couple years of liberal arts school has. It's expensive, and employers want degrees. A two year "general" degree (as opposed to an applied science degree) is worthless on its own.

I don't think there needs to be a set grade for ending a girl's academic experience. If she stays at home, she can continue to be reading and studying. There is no reason she needs to be kept ignorant. It's just that thinking formal education makes her more valuable is not a good way to look at this issue. It's almost like saying a woman should be able to withstand a certain amount of corruption to prove herself.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #67 on:** January 26, 2013, 10:07:11 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: brainglitch
Yes, children can certainly learn a great deal independently, but for most children that is not the case for advanced subjects.

And please don't get me started on the Saxon series. That series was a product of 60's thinking that children could learn merely by absorption, without learning in an incremental, concrete manner, moving from more basic topics to more complex. I used Saxon up until 11th grade and hated it. Once I got different textbooks my grades shot up. I have talked to numerous other students and every single one of them despised the Saxon math series. Why on earth anyone recommends them is beyond me.

I wholeheartedly agree with this part of your quote. Saxon Math is USELESS and confusing, and there's no rhyme or reason to it. The person who put this series together made a boatload of money keeping children ignorant in a logical progression of mathematics.

The most useful place for a Saxon Math book is a book burning party.

Don't get me wrong: this whole thread is very interesting, but here an off-topic
theme has me very intrigued. What is this "Saxon Math" thing you are all worked
up about? Can you briefly describe it? Or is there some other thread that goes
into detail on it? How would I know if any particular curriculum uses it? I raised
children and never heard of it. Is it possible that one of my children was subject
to its influence and suffered in Mathematics classes as a result without my
knowing it?

How does "keeping children ignorant" happen "in a logical progression of
mathematics?"

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #68 on:** January 26, 2013, 10:53:59 AM »

Quote from: Kaesekopf

Quote from: Catechist99
Have any of you the experience of actually living on a college campus? I do. I wasn't a drinker/partyer type but EVERYONE else was. And the...how can I put this delicately....the "swapping" that went on, smoking, very loud hip hop thug music, drugs, crime.............

This was at a small midwestern COMMUNITY COLLEGE for pete's sake. Even if your daughter isn't doing these things herself, trust me, she is sharing a room with another young woman who comes in drunk at 3 am and is inviting guys in for some very noisy activities. Or she's being propositioned by other females to engage in sodomy. And the RM's don't do a thing about it.

Maybe you should consider an online university.

I've attended a small Midwestern engineering school and no, not every one is having unprotected sex with multiple partners while smoking dope.

I've had a number of roommates over the years, and not one of them has ever brought a woman back for... amorous activities.

And, online universities are crap. Most of them are for-profit and offer NOTHING except an overpriced piece of paper that gets you nothing.

Not true. Many long standing, not for profit, brick and mortar institutions offer online courses/degrees. Many state universities offer entire bachelor's degree programs online. The degree itself is identical. It's true that many online colleges are a scam, but a public university that offers distance learning is not the same thing.

Also, I have a bachelor's degree and I have never even taken calculus. I would need assistance/refresher teaching algebra and geometry to high school age kids. Does that mean I should have a master's degree before I homeschool? Or should have chosen to study the sciences even though I barely survived those classes?

Kaesekopf · « **Reply #69 on:** January 26, 2013, 11:31:49 AM »

Quote from: PenitentWoman

Not true. Many long standing, not for profit, brick and mortar institutions offer online courses/degrees. Many state universities offer entire bachelor's degree programs online. The degree itself is identical. It's true that many online colleges are a scam, but a public university that offers distance learning is not the same thing.

Also, I have a bachelor's degree and I have never even taken calculus. I would need assistance/refresher teaching algebra and geometry to high school age kids. Does that mean I should have a master's degree before I homeschool? Or should have chosen to study the sciences even though I barely survived those classes?

You're right, distance learning isn't the same, which is why I said "online universities."

Jaynek · « **Reply #70 on:** January 26, 2013, 08:21:18 PM »

Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti

The problem is, most "Catholic" colleges and schools aren't truly Catholic nowadays.

Colleges that deserve the name Catholic are very rare but there are a few. From a worldly perspective they are useless since they tend to lack government accreditation. But I can see some value in attending a school like this in helping one's faith formation.

Frances · « **Reply #71 on:** April 18, 2013, 09:39:15 PM »

I'm single, never married, no children, female and have to support myself. I've done so since moving from my parents' home at age 18. It was "expected". I hold two Masters degrees and approx. 60 hours of post grad. credits. The culture on-campus of a large public University in the mid 1970s drove me to seek elsewhere for satisfaction in life. I converted at age 45. If it were not for those slips of paper in my safe, I'd most likely be on welfare or miserably married for the income. With all due respect to Bishop Williamson (and some others on this site), my case IS the rare exception. I believe His Excellency would agree!

Zeitun · « **Reply #72 on:** April 19, 2013, 12:31:56 AM »

I have a science degree but I'm a stay at home, homeschooling mom. I find my education helps me with teaching math to my high schooler.

I do plan on returning to work after my children leave home because my husband and I have no retirement money saved. I will probably earn more than him because he is uneducated.

So one of the unintended consequences of a girl going to college is that she may be more educated than her husband and that does cause problems in the marriage with respect to his authority because he won't be the "smart" one.

Frances · « **Reply #73 on:** April 29, 2013, 09:10:48 PM »

And the women I knew at engineering school (the vast majority of them) were not sɛҳuąƖly active and they chose their roommates appropriately. Typically, the "loose women" would move off campus.[/quote]

When did you attend school? At a large state university 1978-1982, the shennanigans took place on campus. I lived there one semester and moved to a firetrap of an apartment to escape the Animal House. Everything and anything was tolerated--and paid for with tax dollars and from parents' pocketbooks. Sadly, those working their way through had to foot the bill as well. But I've no complaints. My public education taught me what I DID NOT want from life!

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #74 on:** May 30, 2013, 07:35:38 AM »

I attended what is widely considered one of the "best" Universities in Europe, and top 50 in the world. I can confirm that our soon-to-be academic elite are utterly liberal, utterly perverted, and totally morally bankrupt. I opted to run like hell from that cesspool, and I can safely say that abandoning University was one of the best decisions I've ever made.