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Offline Everlast22

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Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2024, 09:23:36 AM »
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    No, of course it's not appropriate, and for a woman to behave like this shows a poor upbringing and a lack of knowledge of the Faith.

    If they would read devotional books that actually tell people how to live, they would know this is bad. St. Francis de Sales in his classic on spirituality The Introduction to the Devout Life talks at great length about why "platonic" friendships between men and women without any real intention to get married are dangerous and wrong. He says quite simply because platonic friendships of that kind usually do not remain so, which is obvious. So when women say they just want to be friends, that is going against this wise teaching.

    As far as the length of courtship goes, St. Alphonsus and most spiritual writers say it shouldn't go longer than a year, because that is long enough to know if someone is spouse material, and longer than that it becomes an occasion of sin.

    So the correct and Catholic approach is to say, "Let's try this out for a year or so and see if it works, and if not, we both move on." If women aren't willing to do that with a man, then he is not "friend" material for them either.

    This is not some arcane, hidden knowledge that you can only find by digging through lost medieval manuscripts. This is common advice given in almost every Catholic book of guidance for young people. The fact that women do not know about this and don't follow it shows they are neglecting to know and study their faith.
    My one friend lives in the Midwest, so maybe it's a Midwest thing no clue. He asked a girl's father (since she was in her early 20's, but still lived with parents, which is fine) if he could court her, and he basically said she's very shy and wants to hang out with you in "groups".  The stink of it, is that she really likes him but won't court him. In regards to what the father would need for his daughter, my friend checks all the boxes, so I'm not sure what the deal is. Please pray for him, though, as it's bothering him a lot. I do think he's talking to other women, but it's exhausting for him.

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #31 on: March 02, 2024, 09:44:15 AM »
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    No, of course it's not appropriate, and for a woman to behave like this shows a poor upbringing and a lack of knowledge of the Faith.

    If they would read devotional books that actually tell people how to live, they would know this is bad. St. Francis de Sales in his classic on spirituality The Introduction to the Devout Life talks at great length about why "platonic" friendships between men and women without any real intention to get married are dangerous and wrong. He says quite simply because platonic friendships of that kind usually do not remain so, which is obvious. So when women say they just want to be friends, that is going against this wise teaching.

    As far as the length of courtship goes, St. Alphonsus and most spiritual writers say it shouldn't go longer than a year, because that is long enough to know if someone is spouse material, and longer than that it becomes an occasion of sin.

    So the correct and Catholic approach is to say, "Let's try this out for a year or so and see if it works, and if not, we both move on." If women aren't willing to do that with a man, then he is not "friend" material for them either.

    This is not some arcane, hidden knowledge that you can only find by digging through lost medieval manuscripts. This is common advice given in almost every Catholic book of guidance for young people. The fact that women do not know about this and don't follow it shows they are neglecting to know and study their faith.
    I would question whether these women really want to get married. 

    I think the one year is a good length of time.  I would only suggest more time if the relationship were a long-distance relationship where the opportunity for real, in-person time needs to be stretched out.


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #32 on: March 02, 2024, 10:03:54 AM »
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  • I would question whether these women really want to get married. 
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    Yes, I've definitely gotten that impression from reading these accounts as well, that the "I want to know you for several years before we go on a date" is supposed to be a polite way of saying "I'm not interested in you." That also shows bad upbringing too, to string someone along like that instead of being honest.

    That's what I would say to your friend, too, Croix, that he is in denial if he thinks that woman is interested in him. (By the way, I can't believe you got married!! I stand in astonishment. Well, congratulations, though!)

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #33 on: March 02, 2024, 10:15:45 AM »
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  • That's what I would say to your friend, too, Croix, that he is in denial if he thinks that woman is interested in him. (By the way, I can't believe you got married!! I stand in astonishment. Well, congratulations, though!)

    LOL ... yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows that Everlast22 is Croix, the name possibly being a reference to the fact that he has outlasted about a dozen bans.  And I too was astonished that he got married, but likewise congratulate him (and hopefully his wife too :laugh1:).  That was my oblique reference to posting history earlier in this thread, where I said that a prosepctive spouse would need time to research his posting history on CI.

    He has behaved himself more with this Everlast account, so perhaps his wife is reining him in a bit.

    Plus, his wife has it really easy.  She doesn't have to cook, because she can just feed him refined sugar all day. :laugh1:

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #34 on: March 02, 2024, 10:20:56 AM »
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  • LOL ... yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows that Everlast22 is Croix, the name possibly being a reference to the fact that he has outlasted about a dozen bans.  And I too was astonished that he got married, but likewise congratulate him (and hopefully his wife too :laugh1:).  That was my oblique reference to posting history earlier in this thread, where I said that a prosepctive spouse would need time to research his posting history on CI.

    He has behaved himself more with this Everlast account, so perhaps his wife is reining him in a bit.

    Plus, his wife has it really easy.  She doesn't have to cook, because she can just feed him refined sugar all day. :laugh1:
    I promise I'm not "Croix" lol


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #35 on: March 02, 2024, 10:36:52 AM »
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  • I promise I'm not "Croix" lol

    That's right.  You're a "new man" now thaty you've married.

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #36 on: March 02, 2024, 10:40:51 AM »
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  • That's right.  You're a "new man" now thaty you've married.
    You saying I'm not? Or is your wife giving you too much refined sugar, too.

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #37 on: March 02, 2024, 11:23:46 AM »
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  • LOL ... yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who knows that Everlast22 is Croix, the name possibly being a reference to the fact that he has outlasted about a dozen bans.  And I too was astonished that he got married, but likewise congratulate him (and hopefully his wife too :laugh1:).  That was my oblique reference to posting history earlier in this thread, where I said that a prosepctive spouse would need time to research his posting history on CI.

    He has behaved himself more with this Everlast account, so perhaps his wife is reining him in a bit.

    Plus, his wife has it really easy.  She doesn't have to cook, because she can just feed him refined sugar all day. :laugh1:


    :laugh1: I thought so too! Congratulations Croix!


    The last sentence really made me 😂😂😂
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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #38 on: March 02, 2024, 11:40:38 AM »
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  • Congratulations!  😎

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #39 on: March 02, 2024, 12:55:13 PM »
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  • I promise I'm not "Croix" lol
    Of course you're not Croix, Croix! You're "Everlast22"! :laugh1:

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #40 on: March 02, 2024, 01:16:25 PM »
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  • My one friend lives in the Midwest, so maybe it's a Midwest thing no clue. He asked a girl's father (since she was in her early 20's, but still lived with parents, which is fine) if he could court her, and he basically said she's very shy and wants to hang out with you in "groups". 
    This girl sounds like a sweet old-fashioned girl who would make someone a wonderful wife. She has her head on straight. In all probability she longs for the days of chaperones. Lacking that, the next best thing is do become friends and engage socially with other young people. She knows that relationships should begin with friendship and grow slowly. No need to rush things.

    A young man who would reject that sounds immature.
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