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Offline Everlast22

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Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2024, 09:34:17 AM »
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    Why on earth are women wanting to know a man for 4+ years before even courting him? 

    I'm recently married, but I have so many single well-to-do faithful attractive guy friends that would love to find just an average
    woman willing to raise children in the traditional Catholic faith.

    This is a huge problem. The bad attitudes of the young spoiled women need to change. 

    In my opinion it's the fault of the fathers. A lot of the fathers in the trad community are low T bread winners, who think their daughter is the princess of the region... 

    Dads, do your duty and help your daughter along to get married. Stop sheltering her from increasing her virtue. 





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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #16 on: February 29, 2024, 10:12:40 AM »
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  • Why on earth are women wanting to know a man for 4+ years before even courting him?

    She needs time to review your posting history on CathInfo?  :laugh1:


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #17 on: February 29, 2024, 10:47:33 AM »
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  • She needs time to review your posting history on CathInfo?  :laugh1:
    If that's true, we are definitely doomed. lol

    Offline Matthew

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #18 on: February 29, 2024, 11:22:54 AM »
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  • Why on earth are women wanting to know a man for 4+ years before even courting him?

    I'm recently married, but I have so many single well-to-do faithful attractive guy friends that would love to find just an average
    woman willing to raise children in the traditional Catholic faith.

    This is a huge problem. The bad attitudes of the young spoiled women need to change.

    In my opinion it's the fault of the fathers. A lot of the fathers in the trad community are low T bread winners, who think their daughter is the princess of the region...

    Dads, do your duty and help your daughter along to get married. Stop sheltering her from increasing her virtue.

    Here's another example.

    I have *no clue* what you're talking about. And I've been around the block plenty of times, so that's rarely the case for me. I collect "big picture" truths, trends, phenomena, tendencies, and other patterns as an intense side hobby. And I've done so for years. For me it's like breathing. It's why I started CathInfo for crying out loud.

    Usually when someone talks about a "trend" I've at least heard about it, read about it, or seen it at LEAST 2 or 3 times. If the trend has anything to it, that is. But this time? Zilch.

    Maybe your friends are beta males and/or immature, economically immature, not ready to get married, so they've been disqualified and/or friendzoned? Or, they aren't serious enough Catholics so they've been similarly disqualified? Maybe the girls are trying to be nice -- it can be hard for a nice/shy person to outright reject someone. Now that would at least make sense...
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #19 on: February 29, 2024, 11:26:08 AM »
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  • If that's true, we are definitely doomed. lol

    Yeah, it's a good thing I got married BEFORE I signed up for CathInfo (before CathInfo existed).


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #20 on: February 29, 2024, 12:32:35 PM »
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  • Here's another example.

    I have *no clue* what you're talking about. And I've been around the block plenty of times, so that's rarely the case for me. I collect "big picture" truths, trends, phenomena, tendencies, and other patterns as an intense side hobby. And I've done so for years. For me it's like breathing. It's why I started CathInfo for crying out loud.

    Usually when someone talks about a "trend" I've at least heard about it, read about it, or seen it at LEAST 2 or 3 times. If the trend has anything to it, that is. But this time? Zilch.

    Maybe your friends are beta males and/or immature, economically immature, not ready to get married, so they've been disqualified and/or friendzoned? Or, they aren't serious enough Catholics so they've been similarly disqualified? Maybe the girls are trying to be nice -- it can be hard for a nice/shy person to outright reject someone. Now that would at least make sense...
    The guys that I consider my friends are most certainly not beta males/immature/economically immature at all. I don't surround myself with those loser types. The girls and their weak fathers are mostly the problem. 

    Offline Angelus

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #21 on: February 29, 2024, 01:00:32 PM »
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  • Dads, do your duty and help your daughter along to get married. Stop sheltering her from increasing her virtue.

    Here's what that "low T bread winner," St. Paul, said about the subject in 1 Corinthians 7:

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    25 Now concerning virgins, I have no commandment of the Lord; but I give counsel, as having obtained mercy of the Lord, to be faithful. 26 I think therefore that this is good for the present necessity, that it is good for a man so to be.  27 Art thou bound to a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.  28 But if thou take a wife, thou hast not sinned. And if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned: nevertheless, such shall have tribulation of the flesh. But I spare you.  29 This therefore I say, brethren; the time is short; it remaineth, that they also who have wives, be as if they had none; 30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as if they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; 31 And they that use this world, as if they used it not: for the fashion of this world passeth away.  32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is without a wife, is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please God.  33 But he that is with a wife, is solicitous for the things of the world, how he may please his wife: and he is divided.  34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she that is married thinketh on the things of the world, how she may please her husband.  35 And this I speak for your profit: not to cast a snare upon you; but for that which is decent, and which may give you power to attend upon the Lord, without impediment36 But if any man think that he seemeth dishonoured, with regard to his virgin, for that she is above the age, and it must so be: let him do what he will; he sinneth not, if she marry.  37 For he that hath determined being steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but having power of his own will; and hath judged this in his heart, to keep his virgin, doth well.  38 Therefore, both he that giveth his virgin in marriage, doth well; and he that giveth her not, doth better.  39 A woman is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband die, she is at liberty: let her marry to whom she will; only in the Lord.  40 But more blessed shall she be, if she so remain, according to my counsel; and I think that I also have the spirit of God.


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #22 on: February 29, 2024, 01:04:27 PM »
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  • Here's what that "low T bread winner," St. Paul, said about the subject in 1 Corinthians 7:
    I wouldn't put a low T bread winning modern day father in the same league as St. Paul..

    I love St. Paul btw.


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #23 on: March 01, 2024, 02:55:20 PM »
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  • I'm bumping this.

    Why on earth are women wanting to know a man for 4+ years before even courting him?

    I'm recently married, but I have so many single well-to-do faithful attractive guy friends that would love to find just an average
    woman willing to raise children in the traditional Catholic faith.

    This is a huge problem. The bad attitudes of the young spoiled women need to change.

    In my opinion it's the fault of the fathers. A lot of the fathers in the trad community are low T bread winners, who think their daughter is the princess of the region...

    Dads, do your duty and help your daughter along to get married. Stop sheltering her from increasing her virtue.
    Most traditional single ladies whom I know actually prefer a man who will propose to them within six months to a year of being in a courtship and seem to have trouble finding such men.  So, I guess that we are just in different traditional circles. 😅
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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #24 on: March 01, 2024, 10:27:22 PM »
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  • What is a low T bread winner?

    I agree with AMDG. There are just as many women who cannot find a suitable spouse.
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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #25 on: March 02, 2024, 07:09:29 AM »
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  • Most traditional single ladies whom I know actually prefer a man who will propose to them within six months to a year of being in a courtship and seem to have trouble finding such men.  So, I guess that we are just in different traditional circles. 😅
    We must be. haha. Also, in my experience, and from what my friends are telling me, the women needs to know the guy "as a friend" for like 3 years before courting/dating.... That's not acceptable in my opinion if you're vocation is marriage.


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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #26 on: March 02, 2024, 07:37:06 AM »
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  • We must be. haha. Also, in my experience, and from what my friends are telling me, the women needs to know the guy "as a friend" for like 3 years before courting/dating.... That's not acceptable in my opinion if you're vocation is marriage.

    Well, I'm going to say it's a particular thing at that chapel, maybe a few families, or AT WORST a cultural thing for the region in which you live. It does NOT seem to be a "broad problem" or "epidemic" because most people have no experience with what you're talking about.

    Everything a person experiences, personally or among a circle of friends (in the same locality) does NOT equal an epidemic or widespread problem.

    I don't blame you for offering your suggestion. It's like a hypothesis, inviting other scientists to test it as well. I suppose that's the only way to know if something *you* experience is a broader issue, an "epidemic" or not. Posting your proposed pattern or phenomena on a broader, global forum like CathInfo, something that transcends your local area, would allow you to get feedback from others.

    Kind of like the website "Is the website down or is it just me?" 
    Sometimes it turns out to be "just you", other times the website is down (for everyone).

    Well, unfortunately, in this particular case, I'm going to have to reply in the negative, "No such issues over here."
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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #27 on: March 02, 2024, 08:57:03 AM »
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  • Well, I'm going to say it's a particular thing at that chapel, maybe a few families, or AT WORST a cultural thing for the region in which you live. It does NOT seem to be a "broad problem" or "epidemic" because most people have no experience with what you're talking about.

    Everything a person experiences, personally or among a circle of friends (in the same locality) does NOT equal an epidemic or widespread problem.

    I don't blame you for offering your suggestion. It's like a hypothesis, inviting other scientists to test it as well. I suppose that's the only way to know if something *you* experience is a broader issue, an "epidemic" or not. Posting your proposed pattern or phenomena on a broader, global forum like CathInfo, something that transcends your local area, would allow you to get feedback from others.

    Kind of like the website "Is the website down or is it just me?"
    Sometimes it turns out to be "just you", other times the website is down (for everyone).

    Well, unfortunately, in this particular case, I'm going to have to reply in the negative, "No such issues over here."
    This is actually a good point. I just feel a genuine sense of empathy for my buddies. I personally had to patiently wait until my wife was "comfortable" with me and it was very difficult. Like, very difficult. I wanted to move on, but I loved her too much. 

    It could be the region too, I'm not sure. 

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #28 on: March 02, 2024, 09:09:30 AM »
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  • We must be. haha. Also, in my experience, and from what my friends are telling me, the women needs to know the guy "as a friend" for like 3 years before courting/dating.... That's not acceptable in my opinion if you're vocation is marriage.
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    No, of course it's not appropriate, and for a woman to behave like this shows a poor upbringing and a lack of knowledge of the Faith.

    If they would read devotional books that actually tell people how to live, they would know this is bad. St. Francis de Sales in his classic on spirituality The Introduction to the Devout Life talks at great length about why "platonic" friendships between men and women without any real intention to get married are dangerous and wrong. He says quite simply because platonic friendships of that kind usually do not remain so, which is obvious. So when women say they just want to be friends, that is going against this wise teaching.

    As far as the length of courtship goes, St. Alphonsus and most spiritual writers say it shouldn't go longer than a year, because that is long enough to know if someone is spouse material, and longer than that it becomes an occasion of sin.

    So the correct and Catholic approach is to say, "Let's try this out for a year or so and see if it works, and if not, we both move on." If women aren't willing to do that with a man, then he is not "friend" material for them either.

    This is not some arcane, hidden knowledge that you can only find by digging through lost medieval manuscripts. This is common advice given in almost every Catholic book of guidance for young people. The fact that women do not know about this and don't follow it shows they are neglecting to know and study their faith.

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    Re: There are many traditional Catholic feminists.
    « Reply #29 on: March 02, 2024, 09:20:50 AM »
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  • She needs time to review your posting history on CathInfo?  :laugh1:

    If that's true, we are definitely doomed. lol

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